Saturday, October 29, 2011

Rumors of War: Israeli Prisoner Swap May Be Prelude To Attack On Iran

It is fascinating to see this article published in the Washington Times after seeing much speculation on this aspect by prophecy watchers:

Israeli prisoner swap may be prelude to attack Iran

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s decision to execute a 1,000-for-1 prisoner exchange last week despite his frequently voiced opposition to such lopsided deals is seen by several Israeli military commentators as an effort to “clear the deck” before possibly undertaking an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Amir Oren, the veteran military analyst for Ha'aretz newspaper, took note of Israel’s exchanging 1,027 Palestinian convicts for army Staff Sgt. Gilad Schalit, who had been captured by Hamas in 2006.

Mr. Oren wrote that the price paid by Mr. Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak “can be interpreted only in a context that goes beyond that of the Gilad Schalit deal.”

There is a historical perspective for this move as well:

He noted that Israeli leaders in the past have shown a readiness to absorb “a small loss” in order to attain a greater success, generally involving “some sort of military adventure.”

Mr. Oren also noted that, until recently, Mr. Netanyahu had faced opposition to attacking Iran from Army Chief of Staff Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi and Mossad intelligence chief Meir Dagan. Both retired earlier this year and have been replaced by men believed to hold a different view on Iran.

According to Israeli media reports, a shift in the Israeli government’s views on Iran might have prompted Defense Secretary Leon Panetta’s Middle East visit in April:

His main mission was to pass on a warning from President Obama against any unilateral attack on Iran.

Below we see another revealing quote:

This week, Jerusalem Post military correspondent Yakov Katz wrote that, with the Schalit chapter behind it,

“Israel can now move forward to deal with some of the other strategic problems it faces in the region, such as Iran’s nuclear program.” Had Israel first attacked Iran, Hamas‘ patron, it would have endangered the Schalit deal, Mr. Katz said.

Although the prime minister failed to make any enduring mark on history during his previous term or so far during his present term, Mr. Netanyahu may see Iran as an opportunity to achieve his Churchillian moment, Mr. Oren wrote. “The day is not far off, Netanyahu believes, when Churchill will emerge from him.”

It does make sense that Israel wouldn't "leave a man behind" in the event of military action against Iran particularly given that Hamas (an Iranian based terrorist group) held the Israeli soldier, Gilad Schalit.

Additionally, the window of opportunity is closing for Israel to take preventative action as Iran inches closer and closer to having viable nuclear weapons; weapons that they would rapidly ship to the various terrorist groups in the region. Israel may have no other options than to attack Iran.

And if they do?

One could easily see yet another tipping point in the region - a tipping point that would trigger the last series of wars in the region, with the invasion of the Gog-MaGog alliance figuring prominently. Perhaps Iran would initially use their proxies (Psalm 83/Isaiah 17) in the "inner circle around Israel (Lebanon, Syria, West Bank, Gaza, Egypt etc.) to weaken Israel and rapidly follow this with the Gog-MaGog alliance attack.

Either way, war seems imminent in the epicenter - exactly as the prophetic scriptures have foretold.

Update: Another Swap?

Another Israel-Egypt swap in works?

Three prisoner swaps in one month? Bedouin Israeli Ouda Tarabin, who has been imprisoned in Egypt for 11 years now, will be returning to Israel next month as part of a prisoner swap with Israel, Kuwaiti daily al-Jarida reported Saturday.

According to a senior Egyptian official, Tarabin will be released after the Feast of Sacrifice, a Muslim holiday that will be celebrated in mid-November this year.


WVBORN56 said...

It's all creeping closer and closer and we know that the rapture will have to occur around the time of gog-magog. Although it is an imminent event I don't see us still here for the Ezekiel 39 war. It is just so surreal to think we could really be going home soon. Looking forward to seeing the Lord in person, face to face. Thank you Jesus for your amazing grace that saved a sinner like me. Maranatha!

Scott said...

My thoughts EXACTLY WV.....:)

Seth said...

And... it's snowing in October. I've lived in Maryland for a little over 11 years, and it's only snowed once in October, but it was 1/4" or so, and it was gone a couple hours later. Where I am is supposed to get between 2-5", but just north of me could get as much as a FOOT....IN OCTOBER. Crazy weather. This is just unheard of for this region. Would this be considered a sign of the times? Sigh... Time to break out the snow shovel.

Robin said...

And while Israel inches ever so closer to full scale war with Iran . . .we have Hillary Clinton in Europe saying the US needs to INCREASE the number of visas issued to Iranian students . . .

I sometimes wonder if that great deception that will prevent people from seeing the handwriting on the wall in the last days, has already begun?

Scott said...

If you haven't already, take a look at the update. Very interesting...

Mrs. C said...

Sister Robin :)
Yes indeed, very much agree it has already begun...

God Bless!

Robin said...

I agree, Scott . . .it IS very interesting. But then, there have been tremendous signs of imminent war all year. We had an Israeli group training people from Lubbock to be "first responders" in Israel should there be disaster. They were here this past April and presumably in many cities across the country. There can be no doubt they're gearing up for something huge. But admittedly, I'd not contemplated, before reading your story, that war was the reason for the prisoner swap. Frankly, until now, I'd viewed it as Netanyahu caving to the ultra liberal Barrack's demands of concession. Thanks for posting that.

WVBORN56 said...

Seth, I'm in Indy this weekend but my duaghter said we received about 5 inches in Morgantown last night and today. I'm hoping it is melted before our drive home tomorrow. I love the snow so I'm excited to see it tomorrow night. So will we have snow in heaven? I hope so.

Anonymous said...

Dear Scott:
If Israel were to attack Iran, what kind of significance would it have as regards to the rapture?


gearedup2go said...

Since Sarkozy was instrumental in Shalit's release, I wonder if France will assist Israel prior to the conflict?

Anonymous said...

Obama brought Egyptian students to Washington DC and they were taught how to overthrow a government. One of the students was imprisoned at beginning of uprising but he has been released.

gearedup2go said...

The DC protest organizer of Marxists on parade wants to secede from the US.
Meanwhile a storm system is about to dump snow, freezing rain and sleet on their party per La Nina.

Robin said...

Can't wait to see what this blast of snow does to their little pity party. Hopefully, they'll get a clue and return to the comforts of mommy and daddy's house. But on the other hand, Soros is paying them to be there, so maybe that will entice them a little longer.

Waterer said...

Pray for The prisoners in Iran who will doubtless face retribution if we or Israel attack.
We hear about wars coming so much, as Jesus said we would. I'm almost numb to it. But it is horrible and men are rebelling against the God of heaven.
These are serious days . Thank you Scott for your faithful postings.
As I sit this morning ,in front of
a fire , with coffee, really good piano music , Scriptures and this news too, I find myself rich in creature comforts. Though I take pleasure in them I know that days are coming when real wealth will be ours as with the eyes of faith we still trust HIm when everyone hates us. We think we are rich but we are poor because our faith is still so small. I feel like we are in the days of the first chapter of the Hiding Place, ( The Hundred Year Birthday). They hear bad news mixed in with party celebration but they cannot really imagine what is coming. I can't either.
But our bros and sisters everywhere are part of us and we of them. There are sufferings for sure to be endured. I pray for us today to be focused with thanksgiving on our many blessings and focused on those who still need to know His love and grace.

Happy dedication for baby Sam , WV!

Caver and Mrs. C, I would love to host you for lunch or dinner this week. We live in Durham ( from the hurricane time, I think you are not far away). I can be reached at


Mrs. C said...

Hi Brothers Scott & WV, :)
Very, very much agree:)
The Iranian/American used car salesmen, is arrested for a plot against the Israelis and the Saudis in DC. That was around 9/30 I believe they said, BUT they didnt let us know for two weeks.
During those two weeks, Bibi suddenly makes agrees with a deal to exchange prisoners. Something this former Elite Commando Unit member said he would never do, and for years, has not. On top of that, he had the explicit backing of the IDF AND MOSSAD!
This Iranian plot, was against Israel and the Saudis. This I believe, provided the "green light" from both parties to Israel to attack Iran with their back up support (i.e. airspace- intelligence)The same kind of "intelligence" that was provided to Israel for their stellar attack against Syria in 2007.
As mentioned, Bibi was a member of an Elite Commando Unit, and as such, they tend to follow the creed of "leave no man behind". Bibi's SUDDEN change, to agree with an exchange with Hamas comes right after the Iranian/American arrest, and now a deal with Egypt for the same reason, presents them tying up loose strings before they launch their primary goal, with perhaps the Blessings of the U.S. and the Saudis.
Combine all this, with the bombs provided to Israel in Sept.. Then the WH occupier, could not decide to whether the troops should remain in Iraq. He then just very recently, made the decision to without question, get them outta there before Dec 31 2011.

Whats MOST important, is what Gods Word says about all this :)

•His Word tells us that something will indeed happen to Iran to leave them in a diminished state, as between now (powerful) and when He speaks of them in the Ezekiel 38 war, they are reduced in power to mere Gog tagalongs. It could be an attack against them, or it could be a giant earthquake. Either way, by Ezekiel 38, they are just part of Gods compiled list of Gog tagalongs, followers; they are not powerful, not any kind of leader at all. Ezekiel 38:5

•Gods Word tells us that Israel will fight a multiple fronted war, completely alone, no allies. They win the first rounds against, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank. But then something catastrophic happens, and they only survive because God Himself steps in at the end. I have often worried, and wondered, knowing that His Word says there would be no allies to help Israel, and our Troops are all over there so close. There were two options, the first Heaven Forbid, I didnt even want to entertain, and that was something happens to our Troops. The second was that the coward in the WH would some how bring them home.

Mrs. C said...


Israel knows what they’re up against! They know the creators of Chess, have surrounded them with their evil Chess pieces that just wait for a signal from Iran to attack. Israel has been preparing, training for a multiple fronted war for quite sometime now, and as Bibi says, “the head of the snake, Iran, needs to be cut off”. Yet, Gods Word, does not say (and He would if it were so) that Iran is involved in the Isaiah 17 war at all. However, it could be as simple as a strike against Iran, that triggers Hezbollah – Hamas to attack, and then you can say goodbye to “Damascus”. Whatever the sequence, it will all happen very quickly, like dominos falling, with extreme death and destruction!
It could all happen, very soon! Should the Lord tarry (which I believe He will) through this, we had all better be prepared. Time is very short and soon we will all be standing before Him! There is an urgency of things soon to come, and we, yes we, had all better know His Word, know what we stand for, what we Believe. The time is coming very soon, and should we all go through this Isaiah 17 coming war, we will be put to the test in many areas of our lives – compromising will not be an option and we can expect persecution for the Witnessing of this event.
For or against…Jesus made that very clear…
Matthew 12:30
30He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
LOOK UP! LOOK UP! Brothers and Sisters our Redemption draweth nigh!
God Bless!

Robin said...

oh so very true, Mrs.C There can be no question these are all signs of an imminent rapture from things to come.

I think I read somewhere, with regards to the Iraq pull out that's being done by year's end rather than the original plan of next summer, was because Iraq was demanding it . . .to which, of course, we caved. I like how you refer to Obama as the "WhiteHouse Occupier". I have a tough time declaring he's President, too.

I know, deep in my heart, that Obama will remain after the 2012 election. If we're truly in the last days, and I firmly believe we are, America's not going to elect a President in 2012 that's going to undue everything Obama's done. I've thought, for the longest time it would be because either something will happen to cause Americans to rally around their president or the election would be suspended . . .but it occurs to me, there's a third option. Rapture. The overwhelming majority of evangelical Christians wouldn't vote for Obama if he were the only person on the ticket. With them gone, his biggest obstacle to a second term is removed.

Caver said...

Waterer, thank you kindly for the invite and email address with which to respond.

With regard to the OP, I'm just getting in from the morning appointments and rather shocked to see it in the LSM so soon. Several of us have been discussing this "off line" ever since Bibi first announced the prisoner swap.

Not that I thought we were the only ones that could connect these dots.....just didn't think the LSM would "go public" with this and risk any type backlash on our fearless leader.

Robin said...

True, Caver . . .it completely took me by surprise. I simply couldn't fathom what could possibly be behind such a lopsided swap.

You mentioned discussions offline . . .has it occurred to you this blog is very visible to google searches? I have to admit to being somewhat concerned a day or so ago while we were discussing a certain Nicklas "Billionaire" that he's likely the type who googles his name often and reads such posts just to see what people are saying about him. Maybe we should consider a skype room or something for certain discussions. But then again . . .assuming the internet isn't hampered in the Tribulation (which I have to believe it will be to control things) then these discussions might prove useful to those left behind.

Anonymous said...

Seth, About the Maryland weather...If you " say unto this mountain, be thou removed and cast into the sea, and do not doubt in your heart...ect"... it "must" be from my exact prayers to disburse the OWS bunch and Big Georges' plans for the US. I also included Pharo/Egyptian type plagues of maybe lice, rats, general yuck to disburse them..."We who are joined to the Lord are one spirit with Him"!!!! Take up your "weap---" guys--it's fun and exciting! The key is that after you pray, ask the Lord to make you aware when your first doubt trys to enter your mind, and right then, turn your attention to "thanking Him, NOT that the spirits obey you, but that your name is written in The Bool of Life" you do that, it will come to pass... Go for it!!!

Mrs. C said...

Amen Sister Robin, :)
Yes indeed, we very well could be Raptured out of here before the election next year. The way things are happening, it could very well be much sooner than most think. Israel is the key, and always has been. As for these ridiculous protesters, in their 300.00 jeans, and there laptop computers, according to this article, these Marxist/Socialist/offspring of 1960’s “protesters”, DON’T EVEN SLEEP IN THEIR TENTS AT NIGHT! Lol PATHETIC!!!
God Bless You Sis!

"Occupy London: 90 Percent Empty At Night?"

Robin said...

LOL, that's hilarious, Mrs.C. Indeed, what kind of protestors could they be, sleeping in their warm beds at night? Neal Boortz, ear
Ire this week, played a clip I wish I could get my hands on. It was an op/Ed piece written by a disgruntled protestor who was angry that those he was there to protest were at work two hours before they show up each day . . .and still working when protestors go home, that they never have to walk passed them LOL. They simply just don't get it. Truthfully, though, I am saddened for them . . .theyre nothing but pawns being used in a grander scheme . . .and it seems no amount of talking to them can open their eyes. They know something's amiss, just as we do, with our country and where the leadership is taking us . . .but because of their lack of faith, are completely blinded to its cause and for the most part, don't see themselves as the useful idiots. All we can do, is continue sowing seeds in hopes they'll take root. My heart just breaks for them.

. . .and God keep and bless you, dear Mrs. C

Scott said...


To address your question earlier -

The way things are shaping up - I see even less separation between the first big battle/war (Isa 17( and the subsequent battle/war (Gog-MaGog)...They already seem to be merging into one continuum.

Also - its significant because I really don't see the Church as being present on earth at the time of Gog-MaGog.

With these events so seemingly imminent, under that scenario, the Rapture is also seemingly close at hand.


Scott said...

As far as the so-called protesters - haven't you read where they aren't happy that the homeless are showing up taking the food that they worked so hard to prepare for other protestors???

I thought they were all about redistributing things so that everything was "fair" ? Well, how is it fair to the homeless to keep them from the food?

Doesn't that place the "occupy" people in the 1%?


Robin said...

Anyone else doing this year's CBS Bible Study? We're studying Isaiah . . .and in another week, will be on Isaiah 17. I'm wondering which will come first, the lesson or the battle :). But I agree, Scott, Psalm 83/Isaiah 17/Ezekiel 38-39 appear to be the same war on multiple fronts.

Scott said...

If you want a good laugh (the irony is SO RICH)

Occupy Wall Street Kitchen Staff Protesting Fixing Food For Freeloaders

OWS Cooks Protest Having To Do What They Want The Rich To Do

Robin said...

Seriously, Scott? No, I hadn't heard that. I'm betting that's a story not prominently carried by the press LOL

Robin said...

I love this part:

For three days beginning tomorrow, the cooks will serve only brown rice and other spartan grub instead of the usual menu of organic chicken and vegetables, spaghetti bolognese, and roasted beet and sheep’s-milk-cheese salad.

They will also provide directions to local soup kitchens for the vagrants, criminals and other freeloaders who have been descending on Zuccotti Park in increasing numbers every day.

For people who claim to hate the rich, looks like they've been living pretty high on the hog. Just like the elite to want distribution of wealth for the masses, but a cut above for themselves. Guess the prodigy offspring from the 60s Hippies movement haven't fallen far from tree after all.

Mrs.C said...

Dear Sister Robin, :)
LOL yes indeed, they don’t even know how to tough it out. Just a wee bit of deception, sneaking off to climb into warm beds at night! Oh my goodness annoyed that the workers arrive early, and leave late, for their hard day of work LOL I read where in NY yesterday, the Fire Department came and took away the protesters generators and GAS supplies, when they wouldn’t voluntarily surrender them. The protesters of course upset because they needed them for “ in the kitchen and to power computers”.
Also is saw an interview with a “protester” that came “all the way from California” and was in DC. He was very upset that in the DC “camp”,
“like no ones going out in the streets”, repeating that everyone needed to “take to the streets”. This person struck me as one of those typical violent youths, that wear bandanas over there faces , and then reek havoc running through the streets destroying what ever they can. :(
Yes Sis, in the end, they are ALL pawns in a big grander scheme as you say :( It is indeed heartbreaking! Jesus told us of these days, of the hardening of hearts, the blindness. You are so right, we can only sow seeds, and hope they’ll take root. As you say, it is so very heartbreaking, to see so many lost, and Spiritually blind…
God Bless You and keep you too dear Sister Robin :)

Scott said...

Its also too bad for them that there isn't any truth in the "global warming" thing as we get one of the earlier snows since the Civil War LOL!

Here it is, still in Oct and they are having snow and ice...

Even more irony. Priceless.

Unknown said...

Israel has done these exchanges in the past prior to major military operations.
Israel hits Iran.
NATO hits Syria.
Syria hits Israel.
Israel nukes Damascus.
Prophecy fulfilled.
People still won't believe.

Scott said...

I agree with all of that - only "NATO hits Syria" may not be necessary if Israel hits Iran....Should that happen, I could see Iran's proxies immediately spring into action - with missiles coming in from Syria, and Lebanon, Egypt, Gaza, W Bank etc immediately jumping into the fray.

Unknown said...

Robin- I hear what you are saying about these open communications. However, between Eschalon and Carnivore there are no private conversations. All emails and texts are seen anyway.

Robin said...

True, DrWho . . .though if I'm not mistaken, Carnivore morphed into Narus didn't it? And I was under the impression both worked on Windows machines but didn't have MacOS capability? At least, that's what I'm hoping anyway :)

At any rate, neither are at the finger tips of anyone wanting to google information. I'd never have found this blog were it NOT for google . . .but I'm aware others can find this blog the same way . . .and they mightn't all have the same good intentions.

DrNofog said...

We went from Winter 2 short Summer 2 Winter wifout any spring or fall!

Where is Agore's hot air to burn off the snow when you need it?!?


6 Jul 09 - According to Dr. Roy Spencer, climatologist and former NASA scientist, the Earth has cooled an astounding .74°F since Al Gore released his propaganda piece "An Inconvenient Truth" in 2006.
...and some funny cartoon of globaloney & quotes:

"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse
or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman

Unknown said...

Robin- Google TIA Total Information Awareness. Everything is read by supercomputers and interesting items are forwarded to human assets for review. Privacy is an illusion. I changed my screen name too, but I know I am still seen.

Robin said...

hhmmm . . .I recall when that was first enacted as part of the Patriot Act, DrWho . . .that while troubling, wouldn't target me because I had nothing to do with terrorism. Never thinking for a moment that as a political conservative activist and Christian, it very well COULD and likely DOES track us all. I have to admit to getting a bit creeped when I see just how closely we're tracked in google . . .the sites we visit, logging in to respond in blogs, forwarding to facebook, etc.

I use Facebook to post interesting news that I hope will peek the interest of the unsuspecting, rather than hitting them upside the head and being ignored LOL Now I'm wondering just how closely that's being tracked. Guess I'm just a hop skip and jump away from entering the world of paranoia LOL

DrNofog said...

DrWho mentions "...Eschalon, Carnivore, & TIA Total Information Awareness..."

Sounds like you're reading off MY playlist...
Hmmmmm...have you been accessing my HDD??

DrNofog said...

Makes y'all wonder wut 'they' are reeeeeally gonna do wif da Emergency Alert System on 9-11-11...' why did they just happen to pick that day??

Dutch Treat said...

Ironic isn't it? Here some of you southerners get an early snowstorm; and here in Buffalo we have absolutely nothing. I think the main source of global warming is all the hot air Al Gore's been spewing which he thinks spreads all over the globe. I wish he would spend a winter here. None of this really matters though when we reach our new air conditioned home on high.

Robin said...

Well no kidding, DrNo . . .I'm curious about that as well. Was it here the Alex Jones clip was posted about how the new alert system was designed to completely take over all communications . . .even going so far as to turn on your television in the middle of the night to bring you information? Not to mention the President, himself is going to be the voice over. (oh joy).

But that's also the time the meteor is supposed to be whizzing past Earth at break neck speed.

But yes . . .the date . . .very peculiar indeed. But it's just like Homeland Security directing us to prepare our "Zombie Apocalypse" kits for unforeseen whatever. Very odd choices . . .

gearedup2go said...

Robin, supposedly the smart phones will also be remotely activated to broadcast presidential news updates.

Some interesting headlines for a Saturday afternoon:

top Muslim advisor to the President blocks meeting with Christian leader and wouldn't you know-- he's with the Muslim Brotherhood.

US debt to surpass GDP on Halloween

Saudi royal family offers a cool million for the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier

Palestinians push for statehood vote this week at UN"

Jesus' name ruled unconstitutional This one is for you NC folk.

gearedup2go said...

DrNoFog, I ain't skeered of the brother who looks at me all shifty eyed and all. ;-)

Caver said...

Geepers Geared.....that last one threw me for a loop. Its so sad...we owe everything we are as people and as a country to the Lord. Now, even here in the buckle of the Bible belt, we're making it illegal to mention His holy name. I could never have imagined how quickly this slide down the slope to the cliff.

I can't imagine how this hurts Him.

Dave down under said...

Hi Scott, Mrs C. I'm going out on a limb here. Ive been in two minds now about the pretrib rapture now for too long. I used to hold the view when I was first saved but something happened and doubt set in.

The critical points for me are DAN 9:27 and the women in Rev 12:1-2. Some faiths believe that DAN passage is talking about Jesus setting a covernant with many for 1week, in other words providing salvation on the cross. But everyone else says its refering to the tribulation war. The wording of the Bible is so vague(for me anyway) at times. The women referred to in REV can mean to things; the church or Israel what is your belief? Correct scriptural proof is critical to my overly doubting views.

I tell ya this living in limbo is painful to say the least. If you both could enlighten me with scripture verses to these two subjects it would be much appreciated. Would you like my E-mail address? Please be patient as I need to get back on track.

Unknown said...

10 years ago the FBI asked a cell provider to activate a suspected mobsters cell phone so it would transmit all voices nearby without any indication on the phone. Mobster was convicted on the evidence. It does not have to be a smartphone.

Scott said...


Don't forget, when Jesus mentioned the Abomination of Desolation by the antichrist, he referenced Daniel. Her certainly wasn't talking about Himself there! He was talking about the antichrist.

Also, we know that there are 7 years left for the nation of Israel's 490 year period that must be fulfilled. Jesus is not part of that last 7 years until He comes back at the Second Coming.

There are many many reasons IMO

ALso - we know that Jesus reign is for 1,000 years when He comes - there is no mention of Jesus on earth for a 7 year period before that

Additionally, Salvation has nothing to do with a "week". That makes no sense. There is no one week period mentioned in terms of salvation; if the reference is about Passion Week - that "week" wasn't specific to Salvation, any more than any other week.. What mattered, in terms of Salvation is the 'death' on the cross - period. So that doesn't make any sense either.

The week in reference in Daniel 9:27 is clearly the same as the the Tribulation people - the Time of Jacob's Trouble - and it is described in Rev 6-18. There is association between this and passion week.

The whole idea that

DrNofog said...

"...The whole idea that...

Poor Scott, so over-worked!
Musta dozed off at the keyboard again!

DrNofog said...

See, Dylam, you can't git a better set-up than that!!

[PS. I wuz addressn' Dylan's alter-ego.]

Dave down under said...

Lol, Scott jesus said don't let me find you sleeping? Point taken Scott that's good enough for me.

Anonymous said...

Dear Scott:
Thanks for your response. Gary

gearedup2go said...

Dave, lol! You're such a cheeky chap.

I think DrWho is the alter ego of DrNo.

Scott said...

Just woke up - whats going on?

Mrs. C said...

Hi Brother Dave, :)
Brother Scott did an excellent job explaining Daniel 9:27 :) I hope this will help you understand that the “woman” in Revelation 12:1-2 is indeed without question, Israel :)
Revelation 12:1 KJV
1.And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

•Sun = Jacob (Israel) (clothed with the sun, identified by her clothing which is Israel)
Joseph gave this description of his father Jacob (Israel) and his mother and their children (Genesis 37:9-11). The woman in Rev.12 is Israel. Jesus wasn’t born out of the Church, but out of Israel. The Church was born out of Jesus, not vice versa.

•Clothed with the sun - The 12 tribes of Israel were borne through Jacob, their father. Being clothed with him is like an identity for the woman.

Additional evidence is that in Revelation 12:2-5, the passage speaks of the woman being with child and giving birth. While it is true that Mary gave birth to Jesus, it is also true that Jesus, the son of David from the tribe of Judah, came from Israel. Israel gave birth—or brought forth—Christ Jesus. Further evidence for this is in 12:5 where the Scripture says that the woman "gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne." Psalms 2:9 Rev. 2:27 Rev. 19:15 . Jesus will one day establish His kingdom on earth (Revelation 20:4-6), and He will rule it. This verse also makes reference to Jesus' ascension to heaven 40 days after His resurrection (Acts 1:9-11), speaking of the son "being caught up to God and to His throne."

Moon = Rachel

Crown of 12 stars on her head - The 12 tribes of Israel are also represented as the 12 pearl gates into New Jerusalem.Our Salvation came through the Jewish People, and so we pass through their gates to enter the city. Revelation 21:12 We also see the twelve tribes of Israel as the 144,000 in Revelation 7:4

Revelation 12:17
17.And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The woman will be persecuted in the last half of the tribulation (12:6, 13-17). This is tells us that the woman is to be identified with the nation of Israel, the source of Jesus.
Another proof text that the woman is Israel, because it was to Israel the Commandments of God were given; but note the war isn't with all her children, only those who also Believe in Jesus. The dragon is after Jewish Believers- the Remnant -- which is comprised of observant Jewish Believers His Word tells us, that it is His People, the Apple of His Eye, the Jewish Beleivers, the “Remnant”, that “keep the Commandments” and also have the Testimony of Jesus.
Zechariah 13:8
8And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

God Bless!

Dave down under said...

Thankyou Mrs C. Your very helpful.