Tuesday, September 6, 2011

In the news:

Israel and the Epicenter:

IDF general: Likelihood of regional war growing

Senior IDF officer warns of 'radical Islamic winter' that may lead to regional war, could prompt use of WMDs; new, more lethal weapons discovered in hands of terrorists during latest round of fighting in Gaza, Major General Eisenberg says

Referring to what he characterized as the possibility of a "radical Islamic winter," Major-General Eisenberg said: "This raises the likelihood of an all-out, total war, with the possibility of weapons of mass destruction being used."

Also see:

Top General Expects 'Islamic Winter'

Below we see Israel addressing the possibility of WMDs being used to destroy Israel and gives a subtle reminder of how Israel would respond if needed:

Barak: Enemies "Wouldn't Dare" Use Chemical Weapons

Defense Minister Ehud Barak issued a calming statement after Home Front Commander Major General Eyal Eisenberg warned of possible use of weapons of mass destruction in the region's next war.

"They know full well why they should not even think of using chemical weapons against Israel."

This statement is a direct reference to the fact that Israel has already stated that they would view any such attack as a nuclear WMD attack and would respond the same. However, the threat remains very real and has become part of the national discourse. Another sign of our times.

Hamas Resumes "Quiet War"

Terrorists in Hamas-controlled Gaza attacked a Western Negev community Monday night, and the IDF immediately retaliated.

Home Front Command chief Major General Eyal Eisenberg warned Monday, "We discovered a new weapon,” referring to an advanced rocket that is so powerful that people should “hide under two roofs” instead of just one.

Libya: al-Qaeda acquires weapons

Al-Qaeda's north African branch has acquired a stockpile of weapons in Libya, including surface-to-air missiles that are threatening air travel, the EU's counter-terrorism coordinator said on Monday.

Due to the turmoil in Libya, members of al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb have "gained access to weapons, either small arms or machine-guns, or certain surface-to-air missiles which are extremely dangerous because they pose a risk to flights over the territory," said Gilles de Kerchove.

Israel's Home Front chief's dose of reality

After just a month on the job as Home Front Commander, Maj. Gen. Eyal Eisenberg warned Monday, Sept. 5 of the increasingly peril of a total Middle East war in the wake of the Arab revolts and Israel's rift with Turkey.

Stressing the long term, Eisenberg warned that the Arab Spring would likely evolve into "a radical Islamic winter" raising the potential for "total war in the Middle East" and the possible use of weapons of mass destruction.

One of the greatest threats comes from the new regime the US, Britain, France and NATO are preparing to anoint in Tripoli. Since Qaddafi's departure, the Libyan capital has fallen under the control of pro-Al Qaeda rebel elements and extremist Salafis.

Their Western sponsors have put their trust in these extremists changing their spots and embracing moderation and democracy. This illusion they are liable to replicate in Cairo and Damascus. Israel would then be beset at all hands by avowedly hostile Islamist regimes whose ideology obliges them to wage jihad against the Jewish state.

Turning to the EU:

Remember the idea that "Big Crisis = Big Change"? Keep that in mind, and the fact that we are watching for the evolution of the EU into the "10 Kings" stage of development.

Germany's Schauble calls for new EU treaty

Far-reaching financial governance reforms are needed to solve the debt crisis and that would likely require a new EU treaty, said German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble in an interview with the daily Bild Zeitung.

Some EU leaders, including Chancellor Angela Merkel, have argued that a treaty change could help enforce fiscal rules to avoid repeats of the debt crises plaguing members of the euro zone, including Greece, Ireland and Portugal, which have required costly bailouts.

Schäuble, however, insisted that such reforms were needed even if they threatened to further divide the 17 EU member states that used the euro and the remaining 10 that did not.

"We Need Fiscal Union": EU Commissioner

Greater fiscal and political union is needed in Europe, and will be discussed by euro zone leaders within months, Joaquin Almunia, EU Competition Commissioner, told CNBC Saturday.

"This is one moment where we need greater integration. We need to learn from history to look forward with ambition," said Almunia, speaking on the fringes of the Ambrosetti Forum, at the Villa d'Este on the shores of Lake Como.

"We need fiscal union," he added. He said that European people "would understand" that greater union was needed, but that their political leaders needed to explain the situation to them.

"Europe needs more political integration, accompanied by important political decisions," said Almunia. "Europe has the economic and political and democratic force to be an example for the world."

Also see:

European banks face collapse

And this:

World stocks slide on economy and debt fears

In the World

Now we see yet another big quake. Can anyone argue that we aren't seeing a major increase in big quakes?

Strong earthquake strikes western Indonesia

And as we move into the antichrist's system which will be seen during the Tribulation, this article should come as no surprise:

Telling the Time without Jesus

The latest push for Telling the Time Without Jesus is on innocent Australian school children.

“Australia’s new school curriculum will swap all “BC” and “AD” textbook references with the more politically correct “BCE” (Before Common Era) and “CE” (Common Era) terms, a decision that is prompting anger from many Christians. (The Blaze, Sept. 3, 2011)

The removal of the Christian Saviour from the classroom isn’t just underway in Australia. It has been in the works, worldwide, for decades.

Bringing the marking of time into the realm of the ‘politically correct’ imprimatur is the work of UN boosters Ted Turner, lionized former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, Canadian-born, UN Poster Boy Maurice Strong, et al.

BCE and CE “becoming increasingly standard”?

That’s what the august Australian Curriculum Assessment and Reporting Authority is cheering.

The secular-loving United Nations has been trying to wipe all references to the Birth of Christ from the public square for decades.

A brave new world indeed. The road continues to be paved - a road leading directly into the Tribulation.


Expected Imminently said...

Hello Scott

I cannot believe just how much ‘stuff’ happens when I go orf for a few days. I did hear a little bit of relevant news, but nowhere near what SHOULD be reported. By the time I catch up with all the links and your articles, I shall no doubt be orf agin. Winters coming, so my tooing and froing days are nearly done.

When I arrived home, I had my new savings book in the post. Don't laugh, but I am putting a bit by to pay fer me funeral; it WAS in Santander the Spanish bank, but I got jittery and moved my vast sum of £2000 to a British bank. As you can see, I can't afford to die just yet, as I have quite a way to go yet. :D

Thankfully it has been quite a while since we had comments about Darby and MM. I threatened it in the past, but have you noticed I have now posted the ‘prophecy/dream’ by MM for all to see that she makes NO mention of a Pre-trib Rapture; if anything she was a muddled Postie/partial Rapturist.

Missed y'all

God bless and keep well!

Maranatha - we are much closer since I last wrote Maranatha! :D

James said...

Good morning everyone. i thought I would start this Tuesday off with a laugh. While the signs in Turkey are ominous, God shows the Turkish Prime Minister that all of nature responds to Him only. Please go to you tube and watch this. I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my seat. Erodgan looked pitiful falling off his horse and then trying to walk like he was okay. Too funny. Here is the link

Expected Imminently said...


Titter ye not; that poor bloke … hhhhhhhhhe

Well now, keeping things Scriptural; Paul had something of the video in mind to say to the legalisers of the circumcision party in Galatians 5:12 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

Vs.13 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

Vs.13 Sounds harmless enough in PC English, but in the Greek, Paul was being exceedingly harsh (as was his wont when pressed) and really rather rude about their bits and pieces.

Something akin to ‘So you want to cut yerself do ya; well go on then, and cut orf yer ….. too while yer about it. :O

Honest! That’s true. A teacher of N.T. Greek told me… AND he was a Pastor. :D

Anonymous said...

Expected I

I have all my savings in Santander. What is happening with them? You are making me jittery too. Can you see, I'm shaking all over. What Bank do you advise and why?

Anonymous said...

Expected I

just checked internet. This following url (today's report) sounds reassuring. Can I trust it?


WVBORN56 said...

The first article about the IDF general predicting the liklihood of regional war shows we are close.

I still believe the UN vote on Sept 20 will be the tipping point either just before or just after to usher in the start of the biblical wars of the end times.

Mrs C, Scott and others are the master of detail but my gift is seeing the big picture. I am most assuredly a global personality for those who like to study birth order and personalities.

Mostly details bore me to death but I am thankful for those with patients who gather them all together so we can see the big picture.

What is the big picture?.... the tribulation is around the corner, our economy is but a house of cards ready to topple at the slightest breeze, Jesus is at the door, Israel is in for some tough times very very soon but God will see them through and best of all, we are going home soon!

Come Lord Jesus!

ally said...

I found an interesting link, not really with prophecy exactly but it is someone praying for and an open letter to the evil ones in our government, americanholocaustcoming.blogspot if you are bored today (is that even possible?) then check it out maybe

Paula said...

I am most assuredly a global personality for those who like to study birth order and personalities.
Interesting... can I play?

those with patients
Would that be our Dr. No? :-D

Anonymous said...

Please Someone help me

As I stated ALL my life's savings are in Santander. Should I remove them urgently and to where? I am in Britain. Does the link above relating to Santander mean my savings are safe?

Expected Imminently said...


Oh my goodness gracious me; have I started a run on the bank!
Please take no notice of me; I go by 'me water'; I have little clue of anything that contains sums.

It was my hubbies fault, he persueded me I would get more interest with Santander; so I went against my 'feelings' and moved my ISA's to Santander. That was at the start of the year and I wasn't a happy bunny as I am not a Europhile - so I defied me better half and switched em to Britannia instead - THEN, he left Santander as well.

No science or knowledge mind, so take no notice of me, it's just how I felt in me 'water'. :)

No pennies in heaven Praise The Lord!

Expected Imminently said...



Seriously, if you need a little advice, email Alan and Pat Franklin. He is a really lovely chap, and I am sure he will reassure you as he really knows his financial stuff! Mention me if it helps you start – Sue Jakeway.

We Brits gotta stick together, so be sure I am praying for you. Keep your eyes fixed on Jesus, the world is all passing away and our future ‘savings’ are all in Him. :)

Anonymous said...


I will write to him now

WVBORB56 said...

Hi paula...I would say Dr. No is a detail person for sure...

The best description I ever heard of the difference of a global vs. detail personality was the way they would view an event such as a car wreck in an intersection.

The detail person would describe the event like this, "There was a light blue Chevy 2010 Impala with spoke chrome wheels that collided with a fire engine red Ford Tauras, that was a 2008 model, full of high school girls in cheerleader uniforms. There is a good chance the detail person will have no idea who is at fault in the wreck but they can descibe all the individual details.

The global personality eye witness tells the same event like this, "The red car ran the stop light and hit the blue car in the side."

I am a global personality. It has served me well in business (seeing the big picture) but I absolutely need lots of detail folks with me or I would be in a heap of trouble.

I think the same principal works in church life. "Can the eye say to the foot I have no need of you?" We all bring different gifts and strengths and abilities to the body life. We all need each other to function in a healthy church.

Anyway, I like to try and figure out people based on birth order (leader/outgoing/introvert/peace maker, etc) and personality type (global/detail). It has a lot to do with how we function and interact.

It will be interesting to see the birth order of say the AC as we watch from the balcony? That it a tough one however to predict ahead of time...Most leaders tend to be first born, but middles are "peace" makers and the "babies" tend to be entertainers and the life of the party or charasmatic?

Paula said...

Interesting stuff, WVB, thanks.

I don't think I fit neatly into any of the standard boxes. So how does this work: I tell you my birth order and then you guess what "box" I'd be mostly in? (Not looking for a psyche eval, just fun.)

Scott said...

I guess I'm a "global personality" living in a 'detail' world....(work, prophecy etc.)

WV - I agree with your "global assessment" as well!

Scott said...

Sue - Thanks so much for posting the MM vision....I am willing to bet that 99% of post tribbers who use that tired and discredited mantra about MM have never actually read that text regarding her vision....If they did, they'd stop using this strawman argument. But alas - we'll be seeing that weak discredited 'argument' up until the day of the rapture I suspect

Jec said...

Hi everyone, this is the most amazing set of videos I've seen in a long while.  I urge you to watch them all. It brings together in a "BIGGER PICTURE" and also helps instead of sharing in your own words (which I like to do), to let another do for us. I do believe this person has put this together nicely, and hope that he is not off as I want to share this with others that are lost.Any thoughts would be appreciated.(6 youtubes..guessing about 90 minutes)
With Love, Jec
P.S. I'm sorry for not blue linking, but I'm a still in the learning stages, and it would really be hard on my cell. God Bless you all!

WVBORN56 said...

Paula, it might be difficult to guess with limited info via the computer but you are correct no one fits perfectly into neat little boxes.

There are many varriations...here is just one example... some one could be the baby in their family but their older sibblings are 10 and 12 years older. They therefore could actually have first born traits or only child traits mixed into their personalities. Just about everyone has some mix making it hard to pin point. I have no idea what makes us global or detailed.

They once did a study with airplane pilots. When they flew into clouds without any instrumentation all of the global personalities emerged from the clouds up side down and all the detailed personalities remained right side up. Please no wise cracks from you "detailed personaliites"!

That was my point with the AC. You would assume he would be a first born since most leaders are. But he also is going to achieve a major peace deaal so maybe he is a middle child who by nature of their birth order are always trying to achieve peace between siblings....or maybe ha will be the baby in his family since babies are usually the most charasmatic and out going in the family and ususally the most sneaky I might add...lol

Paula said...

Thanks WVB. I think it shows that we won't be able to narrow down the list of AC candidates by birth order. :-)

Curious about the pilots though, very intriguing. But then, if they'd let them grow some hair, it would tell them which way is up. o.O

Waterer said...

Dear Folk,

I am eager for His coming as you all are but I am a little disconcerted that everyone seems to think this month is IT,
We have to base our views on Scripture not the news ( as I know Scott believes too).
We still do not see the two feet, 10 toe scenario. The money problems are leading no doubt to recession ( loaf of bread for a days wage) But the mark stuff Biblically says nothing about it being a credit /debit system. Merely a license so to speak permitting one to buy or sell. Our sci fi stuff makes us think it is scanner compatible. Maybe it is but the Scriptures do not say that.
The temple is not in place or even being discussed. Earthquakes are up and rumors of war. Maybe the UN thing will kick up another phase of labor pains but Scripture says He will test the Jewish people in Jerusalem. Like a hot kiln. This has not occurred yet. Elijah has not come and he is supposed to arrive BEFORE the day of the Lord.
Libya is nowhere near an alliance with Russia and Iran yet. I'm not a naysayer but I am protective of our expectations. We don't want to be like Peter and the wolf and lose our saltiness ( truth worthiness).
Scott, I thought your article a few days back was great. But with
so many still in need of the Gospel truth I want to go more slowly in getting hepped up. I am easily stirred up with hope in His coming but need so much to be grounded in truth in order to share about it.

Love to you all

WVBORN56 said...

Paula said: "Curious about the pilots though, very intriguing. But then, if they'd let them grow some hair, it would tell them which way is up. o.O"

Too funny Paula! That gave me a good laugh!

Waterer...thanks for the caution...I think the rapture is soon and I think the Sept. 20 UN meeting is going to be a tipping point for war and I think the wars are the big biblical wars.

We see big movement in prophetic events and we can see tribulation like events looming so that tells me the rapture is near. It could be in September or November or March next year. We have no idea how close at hand it may be but if things continue to move at this pace it won't be long.

The rapture will be a game changer on every level to deal with all those little unresolved issues. And don't forget the rapture could be today. There is absolutely nothing that has to occur before Jesus returns for His bride. The rapture is an imminent event.

Waterer said...

I agree wv born
The rapture could be anyday. I just did not like to feel that if this does not turn out to be a gamechanger this Sept that expecting Him daily would feel "less likely". Few years ago we were looking for achman's.. coming Mahdi in a certain August.
It felt a little flat after that . Like why did I expect this like I would Jesus? So much today is hype and what I love about Scott's blog is that he refuses to hype. I just
find so many things taught to be absolutely silent on the rapture. it is bewildering. With no signs at all , it is bewildering that people are not on the lookout.
But then the Lord He knoweth. Elijah thought he alone was left faithful and the Lord had a numbered bunch still at His beck and call. I love the fellowship in this "place" because of the eagerness of all you to see HIM.
It is a relief and also a great encouragement.

Scott said...

I think most of us believe that Sept/Oct will represent a quickening in the birth pains - and quite possibly triggering the inevitable wars. The Rapture will be an immediate game-changer too - which I believe will happen before Gog-MaGog....The excitement is in that very aspect - that any "quickening" brings that even closer. Also - I don't think there will be any overlap in Elijah and the Church - we will be gone, presumably before he arrives on the scene. Also , FWIW, the Temple can be rebuilt in 18 months (or so I have read) - I believe that will be after Gog-MaGog and part of the covenant of Dan 9:27

DrNofog said...

Jec, you mean like this:


It was easier to copy & paste as a group w/o showing the URL...

Scott said...

DrNo -- we're going to have to give you a raise :)

Scott said...

However, when people just show the URL, its pretty easy to highlight-click and drag anyway.

BWest said...

Hello everyone. Regarding the rapture, is the consensus that the rapture could occur prior to the destruction of Damascus and/or the final formation of the 10 kings stage?

God bless all.

Scott said...


I'm not sure about Isa 17...I believe its quite possible that we will be here to see this.

However, for a number of reasons, I believe that we will not be here for Gog-MaGog...We could - and there are no scriptures at all which address this. BUT - I believe that the Church's presence on earth is inconsistent with God's revealing Himself as He does at the time of Gog-MaGog (we believe by faith not by sight).....God reveals Himself in a BIG way at the time of Gog-MaGog....However, this cannot be proven scripturally and requires speculation.

Now, our being gone before the Tribulation starts is another story entirely, as that is completely scriptural based.

Scott said...

We could also be here for the 10 kings phase. Hard to know about that. It (to me) is in the same category as Isa 17..We may or may not be here for both

BWest said...


Thank you for your responses and thank you for this blog. Coming here everyday has really played a major role in re-establishing my walk with the Lord. You and the others on this site really do a great service for all who visit.

I'll just keep looking up until that wonderful day comes.

God bless.

Jec said...


That little block of instruction is still making my head spin chief. I'm sure that there, was at least a 6-8 month learning curve for me.

Scott said...

Thanks so much BW...Make sure and stop by at the wedding supper and say hello :)

gearedup2go said...

Jec, I know what you mean about the code. I am going to resist using it knowing it will probably frost someone's flowers. Someone, let's say, with the initials DNF. Which, by the way in bike speak, means "did not finish". : P

Sue, I'm glad to see you back. I was wondering when you were going to show up along with your big brollie. : )

WV, I'm stuck on details...and I resist the bandwagon...and I'm VERY introverted. I was the kid in school with the insatiable desire for library books and memorized minute details about people, objects and events. God gave me a very good memory but unfortunately I remember a little too much some times. : /

Jec said...

Obama In Denver Sept. 27: DUMB For Elenin?

September 4, 2011 9:55


GG said...

Argh... A spear in me O'soul...the Doc has struck again!!! Fast finger Louie can figure this whole linking thing out and BAM it's done.... meanwhile I just gaze in mere amazement trying to figure out which finger to apply first (ha ha). :)

God Bless!!


ann marie said...

Thanks for the video links, I emailed the links to a couple of 'doubters'. If I do bring up the topic of 'end times' it seems to often hit a dead end. I went to the blogsite for the person who made these videos and he has some interesting points on why we are feeling so 'expectant'. "The reason you all are so expectant of the rapture event is because God's kingdom, His Spirit has TRIGGERED that awareness inside of you! It will grow stronger if you have FAITH, and it will grow cold if you base your expectations on SIGHT, or possible rapture times for that matter. We know it is near, let us exercise faith, patience and all of the other good stuff because our days are literally numbered."
For we walk by faith, not by sight.. 2 Cor 5: 7

Caver said...

Yeipers....get busy for a day and lookie what ya'll done gone and done....filled it up with wisdom.

BW, I'm jumping on Scott's bandwagon on the timing. Toward the end of Isa God is turning His face toward Israel, away from the church. By the middle of Eze His has fully turned and I believe we're mutually exclusive....in short, we gotta be "Poofed" by then.

Scott said...

Ann Marie

Thats a very interesting point about God triggering that awareness in us - re the Rapture. Very interesting. I hadn't really thought about it like that...

Caver - I'm going to post that crazy link from BIN regarding the UFO theory on the rapture.....I want to see what folks think...

Scott said...

OK, here is a crazy idea, and its just a long-shot, red herring and probably not to be taken too seriously....But just for fun, go with me here....

I have always considered what the "excuse" (aka 'deception') would be for the Rapture. One theory I have had is that the rapture will take place immediately before some catastrophic event (such as nukes, terrorism etc) - and it could be said that "those nutty Christians just fled to the hills"....I get this from 2 Peter and the analogy of Noah and Lot (both barely escaped destruction)....

There are many other theories.

One theory has to do with the New Age movement and how they believe that somehow we are approaching age where the "bad people" (my words) are taken off the planet - either by some mysterious, yet unidentified electromagnetism, or a UFO (this is actually true - you can look it up - many many new agers believe this)

Part 2 coming

Scott said...

So look at this article

Comet Elenin Is A Mother-Ship Of The Galactic Federation

Read the article. Its bizarre, but a lot of people believe this stuff..

So here is my nutty punchline....What if Elenin/Nibiru/YU55 etc - is highly visible or unusual - creating even more of a story...Plus, many people are absolutely convinced that this is a UFO

So what of all of this ends up being an explanation for the Rapture?

Its just a crazy thought - no scriptures - all speculation and admittedly - HIGHLY unlikely that such a scenario would unfold like this......

But we can dream can't we? :)

GG said...

Hi Scott-

It's funny -- (interesting) that you posted this. I read it earlier when that link was posted. I thought that is what we were supposed to read instead of looking at the photo only.

What a concept for some. It reminds me of a culmination of things I too have heard from the New Agers or ET watchers I have met. They believe it is merely an awakening and we get to stay. My sister is one of these in part. It is heartbreaking. She understands she must go through the bad but is protected by St. Michael through it all. If the NA's need an angel it is ok to speak to them directly and God is a he/she concept to many and oversees it all in love.

Thanks for always looking at different sides of the coin. It helps me realize how grateful I am to have found myself trusting soley in Jesus!

God Bless!!


GG said...

Hi Jec-

Thanks for those links. I can't wait to see them.


Scott said...

AMEN GG, Amen!

gearedup2go said...

Scott, I agree that the UFO/alien abduction thing will be used in conjunction with the unveiling of secretive gov't technology. The entertainment industry is really pushing the alien/UFO meme. I was flipping through channels and came across Ancient Aliens on the History Channel. Then on another channel (Discovery I think) there were alien hunters who travel throughout the US to follow up on leads of EBE's, UFO sightings, and alien technology. I was watching an episode in which they were discussing reverse engineering and how the the stealth bomber was designed from alien aircraft. And have you seen the movie trailer to Battle Los Angeles? It's pretty chilling to watch people being lifted into the air (false rapture) as the CNN news ticker runs along the bottom of the screen.

Mrs. C said...

Moring Dear Brother Scott, :)
I have to very respectfully disagree with this comment :)

"God reveals Himself in a BIG way at the time of Gog-MaGog....However, this cannot be proven scripturally and requires speculation.

Gods Word does tell us, there is no speculation Brother :) Ill have to get back with you on this, ok? Lots of work to do :(

God Bless You! :) Big Hug

Scott said...

Mrs C -- I didn't mean that - what I meant was - We can't prove scripturally that the Church will be gone before Gog-MaGog------> Not that the scriptures don't prove that God will reveal Himself!

Sorry for the confusion. God will DEFINITELY reveal Himself in a big way, and this CAN be proven scripturally.....I'm saying that we can't prove that the Church is gone before Gog-MaGog

Sorry for the confusion

Mrs. C said...

Dear Brother Scott, :)
Yes indeed my Brother, God will very much reveal Himself in the Gog-Magog war. This will be a momentous moment in all of time! It will be the first time in thousands of years, that He does this. He tells them that for thousands of years, He “hid His Face from them”, and will do it no more, forever to be with them from that time forward. After all the horrendous wars, Isaiah 17, Ezekiel 38, He reviews His history with them.
Ezekiel 39:23-28
23And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
25Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid. 27When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations; 28Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
He then restores His Covenant with them in full. He then ends in the most beautiful words. He will “hid His Face no more” from them, and most, most importantly, HE HAS POURED OUT HIS SPIRIT UPON THEM!
Ezekiel 39:29
29Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
Where is the Church in all of this? He says nothing of the Church, nada, nothing? Why? For the same reason He doesn’t mention the Church in the Trib! We are simply not there! He has clearly turned all of His attention back to His First Born. If the Church were still here by the end of Ezekiel 38-39, He would say so. He would ignore the very Church He gave His Sons life for. We, the Church are the recipients of the Holy Spirit, His Spirit poured out on us. The Holy Spirit is taken out, when we are taken. He then “pours out His Spirit” upon His People  He says nothing of His People joining together with the Church. The Holy Spirit goes from us, to them  God addresses His Church, and His People separately; they are mutually exclusive to Him. There is many Scriptures that tell us this. Jesus Himself tells us, that even at the very end, Judgment comes separately to the Jewish people.
Matthew 19:28
28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
He makes it very clear by the end of Ezekiel 39, that He has firmly returned to His People, we the Church are gone…and this…just as Jesus said…we would still not know the day or the hour, but we would know the Season without question…
God Bless You Scott! :) Big Hug

Scott said...

Yep - agree....Also, in the Church Age - we live by faith not by sight.....At the time of Ezekiel 38-39, the "sight" thing comes into play, in a big way :)

ms said...

ann marie,
loved your insight on how God has triggered an awareness in us and that is why we feel so expectant.I too talk to fellow Christians(?) who quickly say that it's a long way off.
They just don't even want to talk about Jesus coming. Personally, He is my favorite subject.I am so thankful we can come here and share with others who have the same joy and excitement in watching for our Saviour and Lord. Thankyou for sharing your thoughts.
God bless, ms

James said...


Great post today. Really getting a sense that God is on the move. How wonderful!


I saw a blog where someone spoke about the videos you posted. They are absolutely mesmerizing. You can tell that he definitely loves the Lord and has put a great amount of time in studying God's word. Come on "Feast of Trumpets"!


I loved your post and I agree we have to be careful when talking about the possibility of when the Rapture will happen. I don't know if it's just me but I have had this overwhelming feeling that there has to be a spark that ignites the world towards the tribulation.

As watchers we are constantly bombarded with Rapture timing and end time events. In August, day by day it seemed to be at the same level but once we made it over in to September my senses went to a level that I haven't experienced before. Some days are filled with Joy because of it and some days are filled with sadness because I know a lot of people are going to be left behind. What I'm trying to say is that I feel more convicted than ever and I believe that the only thing that can ignite the whole situation has to be the removal of the Church.

This one thing combined with everything else happening will have the world so ready for a leader that they will believe anyone who steps up to the microphone.

Something I have been thinking lately is that if the Rapture does happen here soon and an Alien Abduction is the reason given, that alone will cause people to abandon their sovereignty as the whole world will be affected and it will move us quickly to a one world government. I actually heard one of the psychologists who were interviewed on the series "Ancient Aliens" on the History Channel say that once the aliens are revealed that religion as we know it will begin to crumble immediately. Hope this makes sense. Your thoughts would be appreciated

James in Nashville

Jake said...

Scott I am following your line of thought.

What about 2 Thes 2:11

"For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie"

Could that be a reference to a UFO about the time of the rapture with the antichrist pointing towards mass abduction?

Scott said...

That one always gets a lot of discussion, and I don't know if we can know for sure (this side of the Rapture)...

One of my favorite theories (among others) is the UFO theory. It makes sense for a lot of reasons:

- The UFO story is just too big to 'ignore' and it would be a very convenient way to disprove the story of the Bible.
- It could be used to explain the Rapture (kind of a 2 for 1 if you are the AC - disprove God and explain the Rapture)
- The UFO story started just a few months before 1948, when so many other significant prophetic events started
- I believe so-called "alien abductions' are actually demonic in nature.

Interestingly, I had a friend who had a different theory,...

His theory was that the AC would actually tell the truth about the Rapture - but begin the lies and distortions by telling people on earth that it is now 'too late' to accept Christ and their only hope was to join with him and defeat Christ...I don't buy it, but its interesting none the less.

I think the deception will somehow apply to explaining the Rapture - whether its UFOs or some electromagnetic "force" as new agers also embrace. (that was one reason for the discussion on Elenin/Nibiru/Yu55.....As the EM properties are believed by some to account for the quakes etc, as opposed to the gravitational forces

Jake said...

I have watched 4 of those 6 videos. The 4th video is over an hour. I Thought the first 3 were great, especially discussing the 7 feasts and the feast of trumpets.

Does any body know anything about the speaker? Can he be trusted for accuracy in what he teaches?

The reason I ask, is because video 4 is very weird in places. For example he shows footage of guys who seem to be acting out a spoof. One of the guys has a constant smile/snigger on his face when describing the terrible events (like he knows it is not true).

If the rapture is happening this September and the destructions happening say one month later, that would mean the wrath is taking place too soon. Surely the Wrath takes place after 3.5 years after the rapture?

Also, I feel uneasy in trying to find scientific explanations for God's judgements. God moves outside science. He may occasionally use it, but (in the wrath scenario)it is surely God sending these things supernaturally rather than simply using natural events that we can predict in advance (by using telescopes).

What do you all think?

Scott said...

I honestly thing God can and will do things however He chooses - and He has historically operated through man, through nature, through prophets, with direct intervention, through angels, etc...Every way imaginable. I believe that the Tribulation, like the Old Test days - will see God use a variety of means at His disposal.

The Trib will continue to see the same birth pains see throughout the generation as well - quakes, famine, pestilences, warfare etc....AND - don't forget, there will be a lot going on on earth in addition to the 21 judgments...Often we think of the 21 judgments being the only action on earth - there will be a LOt going on to add to the carnage of the Tribulation - some natural, some man made, etc but ultimately, God behind it all.

Anonymous said...


Just out of interest

Are there any OT examples where God did not use supernatural means to pass judgement on a city or a Nation by destroying it.

I can think of many supernatural ones like Moses and Pharoah, Jehoshaphat, Sodom to name just a few, that could and should not be explained away by science or natural means

DrNofog said...

Anonymous said... "...Just out of interest..Are there any OT examples where God did not use supernatural..."

The term "supernatural", used by the world today, has 'evolved' into something that is akin to magic that defies "natural laws of physics".

Whereas a simple study thru TWoG shows that these are the natural laws a higher dimensional level that our lower level of material existence was created in, and is fully in subjection to the Superior.

That is why Jesus simply spoke the words of Kingdom peace that He 'walked in' and the winds and sea obeyed Him...

Read Bill Johnson's "When Heaven Invades Earth".

GG said...

Hi There~

Jake said...

What about 2 Thes 2:11

"For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie"

This part of scripture has always made me wonder why God would need to send a delusion for them to believe the lie? How would that be beneficial to God's overall plan? Wouldn't that add greater confusion instead of adding clarity that Jesus is the only way?

I just don't have the gift that some of you have to know how it all ties together with other scriptures. That is one thing I appreciate in all of you as I seek help to these lingering questions.

God Bless!!


Jake said...

Hello GG

That verse could be combined with Romans 1:24-25 where it says "God gave them up".

"Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator"

Of course, if men's hearts are hardened against God they will experience a searing of conscience and God gives them up. In the same way that He sends (allows) a powerful delusion so that they believe lies because they refuse to accept the knowledge of the truth.

So because of their hardness of hearts He allows much deception to flourish like UFO's

Anonymous said...


You have not answered the question and have skirted round it.

The fact is that God rarely uses the methods, ways, or public opinions of the World to fulfil his will. "Do not be conformed to this world butr be transformed by the renewing of your minds". If God tells us this, then surely he also practices this

Expected Imminently said...

Its a funny old thing; but I recognise at least one Anonymous and Jake and possibly Gary as being the same person - at least their 'style' is remarkably similar to ...

Does anyone else note a particular 'persistent' style? No need to hide and be dishonest, you have been told you are still welcome to comment; 'shifty' makes E.I. nervous.

GG said...

Hi Jake-

Thanks for trying to add clarity for me. So is it safe to say that he is allowing something to happen in this particular scripture vs. making (via sending)?

What comes to mind if he is sending something to happen then it seems to imply he is tampering with our free will. I understand this is a fallen world run by the evil one and sometimes God allows things to unfold as they may due to the consequence of our actions. If we seek forgiveness
repent and then choose to follow his ways then he can
always help us rise above the situations at hand but in his
timing as it was our free will to seek him, but it is always for
his glory in the long run. This is a win-win since we would
have used our free will to seek him first.

The above scripture referring to sending a delusion seems
like an added punishment, is that what your saying? I
appreciate the help on this :) Sorry if I am not wording this right. I notice these time stamps are off today too.

God Bless!!

GG said...

Sorry about the typing format something is off on the iPad return button here :)


Expected Imminently said...


Reading within the Context of 2 Thess 2:11 it is timed during the 70th Week. This concerns the time when A/c arrives, it is through him that the ‘strong delusion’ is presented. Those reprobates, who will follow him, have already chosen THE lie, so God strengthens the lie, because they will have already rejected the teaching of The Gospel in the Scriptures, given by Elijah, the two witnesses, the 144,000 and the ‘Gospel Angel’. This has no connection to the Church or this age of Grace in which we live. It is an extreme hyper Calvinist, legalistic view that applies this threat within this dispensation.

2Thess2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED.
11.And FOR THIS CAUSE God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

CONTEXT is absolutely VITAL when reading Scripture.

God bless your studies.

Jake said...

Hello again GG

It says God sends a powerful delusion in the same set of scriptures that discuss the rapture, so it seems that the delusion comes soon after the rapture.

In Romans 1 it reads that mankind chose (freewill) to believe the lie. Their rejection of God is so humungous that they will easily be blinded to truth. Romans 1 says God gave up on them and handed them over and let them follow sinful ways which would increase their hardened hearts.

Not sure whether God sends the delusion or allows the delusion to fill their minds because they are ripe to be deluded, so God hands them over to the delusion.

Does God harden peoples hearts against their will? There was Pharoah. Did God harden his heart or was it Pharoah? The New Test. says God hardens whoever he wills.

Jake said...


but again is it God who hardens hearts or does it seem that way and it is sinful beings who harden their heart?

Jake said...

Hello Expected

goodness gracious, are you serious? What a thing to say. How awful. Someone sounds like me? Poor chap.

GG said...

Hi Sue & Jake-

Thank You!!! That makes much more sense when pertaining to the rapture. I know God is not a God of confusion so to know this could have applied at anytime struck me in wrong. If my God shall supply all my needs I can't see him being purposeful with hurt and destruction unless it was coming to the final hours.

I understand him handing them over even for hardening their hearts as a choice they made when given other options in life.

Have a great day!


Caver said...

This is a subject I’ve been interested in for some time. This discussion spured me to do a little research. I went to…


And found some interesting research. In short, I believe what I am reading is that God no longer inhibits them from believing that which they wish to believe as opposed to the truth, which He has made available and known to them.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible
And for this cause - Because they choose error, or their hearts love that more than they do truth. The original reason then of their embracing and adhering to the system was not an arbitrary decree on the part of God, but that they did not love the truth. Hence, he gave them up to this system of error. If a man strongly prefers error to truth, and sin to holiness, it is not wrong to allow him freely to evince his own preference.
God shall send them strong delusion - Greek: "energy of deceit;" a Hebraism, meaning strong deceit, The agency of God is here distinctly recognised, in accordance with the uniform statements of the Scriptures, respecting evil; compare Exodus 7:13; Exodus 9:12; Exodus 10:1, Exodus 10:20, Exodus 10:27; Exodus 11:10; Exodus 14:8. Isaiah 45:7. On the nature of this agency, see the notes on John 12:40. It is not necessary here to suppose that there was any positive influence on the part of God in causing this delusion to come upon them, but all the force of the language will be met, as well as the reasoning of the apostle, by supposing that God withdrew all restraint, and suffered men simply to show that they did not love the truth. God often places people in circumstances to develop their own nature, and it cannot be shown to be wrong that He should do so. If people have no love of the truth, and no desire to be saved, it is not improper that they should be allowed to manifest this. How it happened that they had no "love of the truth," is a different question, to which the remarks of the apostle do not appertain; compare Romans 9:17-18, note; Romans 1:24, note.
That they should believe a lie - This does not affirm that God wished them to believe a lie; nor that He would not have preferred that they should believe the truth; nor that He exerted any direct agency to cause them to believe a lie. It means merely that He left them, because they did not love the truth, to believe what was false, and what would end in their destruction. Can anyone doubt that this constantly occurs in the world? People are left to believe impostors; to trust to false guides; to rely on unfounded information; to credit those who live to delude and betray the innocent; and to follow those who lead them to ruin. God does not interpose by direct power to preserve them. Can anyone doubt this? Yet this is not especially the doctrine of revelation. The fact pertains just as much to the infidel as it does to the believer in Christianity, and he is just as much bound to explain it as the Christian is. It belongs to our world - to us all - and it should not be charged on Christianity as a doctrine pertaining especially to that system.

Caver said...


Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
God shall send them strong delusion - For this very cause, that they would not receive the love of the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness, therefore God permits strong delusion to occupy their minds; so that they believe a lie rather than the truth, prefer false apostles and their erroneous doctrines to the pure truths of the Gospel, brought to them by the well-accredited messengers of God; being ever ready to receive any false Messiah, while they systematically and virulently reject the true one.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,.... Or "efficacy of error", which God may be said to send; and the Alexandrian copy reads, "does send"; because it is not a bare permission but a voluntary one; or it is his will that error should be that truth may be tried, and be illustrated by its contrary, and shine the more through the force of opposition to it; and that those which are on the side of it might be made manifest, as well as that the rejecters of the Gospel might be punished; for the efficacy of error is not to be considered as a sin, of which God cannot be the author, but as a punishment for sin, and to which men are given up, and fall under the power of, because they receive not the love of the truth, which is the reason here given: and this comes to pass partly through God's denying his grace, or withholding that light and knowledge, by which error may be discovered and detected; and by taking from men the knowledge and conscience of things they had, see Romans 1:28. So that they call evil good, and good evil, and do not appear to have the common sense and reason of mankind, at least do not act according to it; and by giving them up to judicial blindness and hardness of heart, and to the god of this world, to blind their minds; and without this it is not to be accounted for, that the followers of antichrist should give into such senseless notions as those of transubstantiation, works of supererogation, &c., or into such stupid practices as worshipping of images, praying to saints departed, and paying such a respect to the pretended relics of saints, &c., as they do; but a spirit of slumber is given them, and eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, because of their rejection of the Gospel: and
that they should believe a lie; that the pope is Christ's vicar on earth, and has power to forgive sins; that the bread and wine in the Lord's supper are transubstantiated into the very body and blood of Christ; with other lying tenets spoken in hypocrisy concerning good works, merit, pardon, penance; &c. with a multitude of lying wonders and false miracles, of which their legends are full; and this is the first and more near end of strong delusion or efficacious error being sent them; the more remote and ultimate one follows.

Caver said...

Vincent's Word Studies
Strong delusion (ἐνέργειαν πλάνης)
Rev., literally and correctly, a working of error. See on working 2 Thessalonians 2:9. The phrase is unique in N.T. It means an active power of misleading. For πλάνη error which shows itself in action, see on 1 Thessalonians 2:3.
A lie (τῷ ψεύδει)
Properly, the lie. The article gives the generic sense, falsehood in all its forms. Comp. John 8:44; Romans 1:25; Ephesians 4:25. Comp. the contrast of truth and unrighteousness in 2 Thessalonians 2:12. All wrongdoing has an element of falsity.
Geneva Study Bible
And for this cause God shall send them {n} strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(n) A most mighty working to deceive them.
People's New Testament
2:11 For this cause God shall send them strong delusion. Because they do not receive the truth.
That they should believe a lie. He who refuses to receive the truth will at last believe lies. It is the law of human nature. God sends the delusion by natural laws.
Wesley's Notes
2:11 Therefore God shall send them - That is, judicially permit to come upon them, strong delusion.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
11. for this cause-because "they received not the love of the truth." The best safeguard against error is "the love of the truth."
shall send-Greek, "sends," or "is sending"; the "delusion" is already beginning. God judicially sends hardness of heart on those who have rejected the truth, and gives them up in righteous judgment to Satan's delusions (Isa 6:9, 10; Ro 1:24-26, 28). They first cast off the love of the truth, then God gives them up to Satan's delusions, then they settle down into "believing the lie": an awful climax (1Ki 22:22, 23; Eze 14:9; Job 12:16; Mt 24:5, 11; 1Ti 4:1).
strong delusion-Greek, "the powerful working of error," answering to the energizing "working of Satan" (2Th 2:9); the same expression as is applied to the Holy Ghost's operation in believers: "powerful" or "effectual (energizing) working" (Eph 1:19).
believe a lie-rather, "the lie" which Antichrist tells them, appealing to his miracles as proofs of it . (2Th 2:9).

Caver said...


Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
2:5-12 Something hindered or withheld the man of sin. It is supposed to be the power of the Roman empire, which the apostle did not mention more plainly at that time. Corruption of doctrine and worship came in by degrees, and the usurping of power was gradual; thus the mystery of iniquity prevailed. Superstition and idolatry were advanced by pretended devotion, and bigotry and persecution were promoted by pretended zeal for God and his glory. This mystery of iniquity was even then begun; while the apostles were yet living, persons pretended zeal for Christ, but really opposed him. The fall or ruin of the antichristian state is declared. The pure word of God, with the Spirit of God, will discover this mystery of iniquity, and in due time it shall be destroyed by the brightness of Christ's coming. Signs and wonders, visions and miracles, are pretended; but they are false signs to support false doctrines; and lying wonders, or only pretended miracles, to cheat the people; and the diabolical deceits with which the antichristian state has been supported, are notorious. The persons are described, who are his willing subjects. Their sin is this; They did not love the truth, and therefore did not believe it; and they were pleased with false notions. God leaves them to themselves, then sin will follow of course, and spiritual judgments here, and eternal punishments hereafter. These prophecies have, in a great measure, come to pass, and confirm the truth of the Scriptures. This passage exactly agrees with the system of popery, as it prevails in the Romish church, and under the Romish popes. But though the son of perdition has been revealed, though he has opposed and exalted himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; and has spoken and acted as if he were a god upon earth, and has proclaimed his insolent pride, and supported his delusions, by lying miracles and all kinds of frauds; still the Lord has not yet fully destroyed him with the brightness of his coming; that and other prophecies remain to be fulfilled before the end shall come.

Caver said...

I realize that's a little lengthy and a lot of reading....not all in agreement but its a good background on the verse.....well, IMHO.

GG said...

Mr. C-

Thank you so much for taking the time to pull this together. I love how you, Sue and Jake worked to show me this. These descriptions or definitions if you will make sense put in this manner. One can't have two Gods right? In short you will love the one and hate the other so to speak. I think God has been so patient, kind, unselfish, loving and forgiving for so long. How much longer should this be expected to go on without a changed heart or mind on our parts? I am so grateful and blessed that he loves me so to send his only son to die for my sins. So thankful to have been blessed for greater change in my life and to follow him. I want to weep when I think about how long I walked around like most of the world.

Thanks again..this is deeply appreciated on many levels.

God Bless!!


Expected Imminently said...

Jake said "goodness gracious, are you serious? What a thing to say. How awful. Someone sounds like me? Poor chap"

Waffle! Written to mimic my own style.

Can you confirm that you are NOT John Chingford - straightforward Yes or No, no waffling.

Anonymous is a positive i.d. Deviousness is dishonest and is completely un-necessary and a blatant LIE after spinning a tale of indignation. Trying it on with me is persistent stalking,it is dragging in my fellow bloggers that I find so repugnant and cowardly.

Sue JAKEway for them that don't know my surname! Lone Brit for TOO long, now several turn up like a number 9 Bus! I TOLD you that you would be spotted when you tried it on Bob's Blog - just like poor old Robert Muir - evident by style and mannerisms; they have a way of leaking into the text!

DrNofog said...

In considering your 1st post, it's like "Gee, where to begin...", because it's fraught with conjecture, so I answered accordingly.

"Supernatural" is a matter of perspective.

The judgment of Nineveh is one that comes to mind; -after a brief period of repentance, it was razed to the ground. Nothin' "supernatural" about that other than it was "prophecied"...

"...I can think of many supernatural ones like Moses and Pharoah, Jehoshaphat, Sodom to name just a few, that could and should not be explained away by science or natural means..."

"Explained", or "explained away"?

See, I have no problem with God using natural processes, troubling rumors [Daniel 11:44], and evil people to do His will, after all, the entire universe carefully follows the most minute foreordained details of His design. True science always testifies to the veracity of His Word. See Sodom, proof that it was real...

"...The fact is that God rarely uses the methods, ways, or public opinions of the World to fulfil his will..."
Unless you have some scriptures to show, that remains conjecture.

"...Do not be conformed to this world butr be transformed by the renewing of your minds".
Huh? Lost me on that one...

I think Isaiah 55:9 better fits where you seemed to be headed, rather than Rom.12.1:
"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways..."

Yet, that is unlimited in scope, not constraining Him as you suggest:
"...If God tells us this, then surely he also practices this..."

Also, EI suggested this.

Scott said...

I may not have understood one of the questions above about God not using "the world" or "the ways of the world" ?

He does so all the time. Look how He used the Babylonians....He warned Jerusalem through the prophet Jeremiah of what would happen of they didn't repent of their sin....(human actions, human "ways")....
When the Israelites refused to repent, God used the Babylonians to siege and destroy Jerusalem. Just one of many many such examples -

Maybe I misunderstood the question - but God does this all the time.

Expected Imminently said...

Agreeing with DrNofog and Scott.
The 'natural world' is God's creation, when He uses the elements of earth,wind,fire,flood to bring judgement,then they can be said to be super-NATURAL. i.e. amazingly natural and normal.
As is the removal of light, which is darkness.

The elements of earth, wind, fire, water are abused in 'Elemental' magic and by rebels to promote false spirits. The fact remains that the elements are God created.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit are likewise abused; hyped up to be 'other worldly'or 'mystical'. In reality they are also super-NATURAL; so much so that believers who think they have ended, are observed moving in His gifts without even being aware they are being 'gifted' as the need arises. imo

Jake said...

I watched the rest of those videos. The author sounds convincing like he knows his facts. He says things as if they are factual from Judaism. I lack judaism knowledge so cannot tell if he has his facts in place.

He says we can know the exact day that the rapture will take place meaning no imminency because "as to the day and hour knowone knows only the father" was an expression used by Jews at feast of trumpets, meaning it takes place just before the new moon can be seen.

He goes on to say that Elinen will block the light, so no-one can know when the new moon takes place. That is incorrect. we already know when there will be a new moon it is on our calenders, even if we dont see it.

and then he offers the thought that the trail we see could be angels and the whole thing could be Jesus and his party.

Before I queried the coming prediction of destruction by elinen that didnty seem to equal the timings in Revelation. Mainly Revelation describes an Act of God.

It took God just 6 days to create planet Earth. God acts quickly. The prophecys seem the same. Elinen was known about for a long time and its movements being tracked. I dont see that kind of slowness when I read the many single judgement acts of God in Revelation. He may use natural things in his wrath but isnt it something unobserved?

God spoke things into existence instantly in Genesis at the beginning. Wouldnt it be the same at the end? In the Tribulatioin it will be too late for those left behind who take the mark to repent. Their hearts and conscience will have been closed to God anyway. Why would God give them a slow warning of slowish (not immediate) imminent disaster if they will not repent? Just asking.

The author is saying it is okay to date set because Jesus did not mean imminency but was pointing to the Jewish understanding of that feast and becausev Jesus has sent Elinen to tell us it will take place THIS September on the New Moon. I ask is he right? I feel uneasy about this.

Expected Imminently said...

You ignoring me John/Jack/Jake/Anon/...

Straight answer, no waffling; Yes or No that you are John Chingford.

Watching daft videos and speculations won't gen you up on the hard facts of the Rapture you desire to know about John; hard prayerful study is the only answer. KNOW the Truth and then you will know.

GG said...

Hi Sue~

I am sorry you are having to go through this once again. I don't want to see you followed, stalked or harassed by anyone and especially one day longer. I am praying for you today that God in his infinite wisdom and power will intervene on this situation that has lingered here way too long.

I say this in a loving spirit that we must trust to some degree here or the devil is going to steal your joy daily on the one platform you help us most on. I would hate to see that over any human. It will ultimately try to steel ours with constant doubt.

I am worried if Jake is for real, is this the proper treatment for our fellow brothers and sisters? If it is John and you have great concerns is there something Scott can do here? It makes it hard to post and start building our sharing in these last days with this JC following popping up on you. It concerns me on many levels and I understand your feelings, believe me, it is frustrating.

I am more concerned the very thing that you don't want to happen is going to keep happening. It's starting to make it look like your someone, that from what I have come to know you're not but this person who is following you is getting the results to prove otherwise. If we get some newbie's coming they are not going to know the old posts or situation between you two and think this is how we greet and treat others when we know you have been through much more. I know you have nothing but love but as we post regularly it is going to get lost and taken out of context and reflect differently.

Can someone help Sue and John in this situation once and for all? I feel it has corrupted the flow of loving energy here. I don't mean any ill-will towards you or John. I don't know the background nor care to sort through it as John took me down that road too. I feel like the devil is trying to ruin what goodness we have going on here and I pray it ceases in the sweet name of Jesus.

Sue, we will get you through this, I promise. I just want the newbie's who come now or after we are gone to know that this isn't what this group is about. I believe better of all of us than this mess that has snowballed for weeks now.

Hang in there and please if you have a lot of physical proof maybe you can report it to the proper authorities or to Scott and get the protection you deserve. No one should have to walk around feeling like this especially on a Christian forum.

God Bless, my dear sister. I am here for you as well as the others.


Jake said...


Expected Imminently said...

Hello GG

Thank you for your concern but I am absolutely fine. I know John is still playing this deceitful game and I want him to 'come clean' and make a fresh start. He is trying to avoid 'actually lying' , but he needs to realise deceit, and an avoidance of truth is still very much a lie. Let’s face it; we all know who the father of lies is!

This isn't the first time he has done this, so he really needs to stop messing about with other peoples feelings, and if he doesn't comply, then he has to live with a lie that The Lord will NOT bless; John will lose out instead of maturing in the Faith AND his Heavenly Father WILL discipline him even more than He is already doing.

I KNOW this is John Chingford; and if he wants to use another name - fine; but not by this deceiving route he is navigating. He came here on my previous recommendation, not by chance as he now claims, and because of me he is doing his usual control freak manipulation of all of you (especially you GG) and I feel responsible for you all. At the very least I can make you all aware of what you are up against. BUT for his own sake, John must die to his prideful self pity, stop the mind games and drama and be himself, who he really is warts and all, not this stupid pretence. When John can learn to love God first, his neighbour next, and put himself LAST, it is only then that he will learn what love is really all about; OBEDIENCE to The Word, and accept being ‘defrauded’, if that’s how he sees things and ACTUALLY forgive what he thinks has been done against him, not just pay it lip service as he is doing through these antics.

It’s all very well claiming to be a ‘Watchman’; but the first thing we all need to do, and keep doing, is to watch ourselves for sin and error FIRST. It is so easy to point the finger at the failings and errors of others, but the hardest of all is to point the same finger at SELF and say ‘BE GONE’ rather THY WILL BE DONE.

God bless you GG; continue to be as ‘gentle as a Dove’ but you also need to be as ‘wise as a serpent’ at the same time.

Expected Imminently said...

Jake said


'NO' what John? like I said, don't waffle.

Jake said...

I am not John. Please stop this. It is sickening.

Expected Imminently said...

Okay! Have it your own way; you are not yet ANOTHER version of John CHINGFORD...
Mrs Chingford must be so confused poor lady.

I SO agree, I do hope this soon stops, it is indeed very sickening.
I leave you both in the capable hands of The Lord.

GG said...

Hi Sue-

Remember in one of my post how I noted the warning has been laid? you can trust that many in your family here can sense what is going on. This isn't our first forum I suppose and one thing I know in ruining past ones, Imposters who choose to stalk, harras, or try to inflict danger and fear upon another person will get caught and can easily be dealt with by the authorities if needed.

So if anyone is doing that, be warned silently you may be monitored and God is an awesome God and has a way to
shine light in dark places or lift the heavy rock any snake like Satan chooses to hide under. :)

I am being heavily convicted that it is not OK to treat our
Brothers and Sisters like this. How ever the message fits

Jake, I have had nothing but good dialogue with you and
don't wish to lose that. Much may not be right here in
America but I do believe innocent until proven guilty. I
think God has a few things to say about casting doubt on
one another. Sorry Jake if you accidentally got caught in
the cross hairs of something really bad for Sue. She really
has a big and kind heart. We do teach each other so if you
are still needing answers I am sure others will help too :)

Sue, take my hand and off we stroll my dear sis. I hear you but we must rise above this and God will take care of
this. Come :) John, enough said as well as we all move onward like Christian soldiers.....



GG said...

Oh...no I said ruining instead of running (ha ha). Hold on for more boo-boos of the day. Doc grab your popcorn and a comfy seat . I will be making more I am sure:)


DrNofog said...

GG said... "...one thing I know in ruining past ones..."

Aha! So yer the one who goes around 'ruining' forums!

We'll have to keep an eye on you too now...

DrNofog said...

See what I mean about "waiting for the perfect 'setup', which some unwitting souls will always happily provide..."

GG said...

Hi Doc~

Yes, Doc...(head down)...I must admit it-- you may just have to. I have been known to have a case or two of Rascialitis as opposed to a bad case of Sneeratosis which can sometimes lead me to have major pain in the gluteus maximmus turning me into a Rumpasaurus, (if I were a dinosaur )after the hubby sets me straight with his Foot O Scope :) - (ha ha)

RomaLynn said...

I have been posting with John Chingford’s blogsite for some time now and found him to be honest and sincere in what he is doing there. I have never seen him being rude to Expected Imminently or any other posters on his blogsite.

In fact just 8 months back she was praising him for his work on his blogsite.


John referred me to Prophecy Update by recommendation on August 24 though have always followed prophecy sites myself.

He referred me a week before she went to accusing him of the things she is saying on http://prophecyupdate.blogspot.com/2011/08/in-news_31.html

I cannot imagine what Sue is doing here on this site accusing him of the things she is saying. I do not understand this at all. He had not said anything against her. I saw all the earlier posts and decided something needed to be said but was not quite sure how to address it. My husband, Roy and I prayed about this and due to the fact we had an ill person in our family had not taken time to address it before.

I actually thought well it was old and perhaps done. Then today I see this nonsense here again? You all reacted in her defense, which makes no sense to me at all. Her comments were not appropriate. These comments today are very extreme and almost to the paranoia level. I in no way believe John C is doing any of these things. Please Do Not keep slandering his good name all over the internet. This is not the way a Christian should act on an open posting blogsite.

As well I know John has been busy these last few days working on a new blog, as he consulted me for some help. Why would he waste his time doing such nonsense as he is being accused of here.

This is Sue's posting on John's blog

2:20 PM, January 05, 2011
Expected Imminently said...
Hello John
A Happy and Blessed New Year!I am a little preoccupied with 'last day' events at present. There appears to be a surge of prophetic news occurring right around the globe presently that I would like to get my teeth into, but my dear old Mum is my main priority, she is 89yrs in July and becoming more frail. Seeing you up and running again after the break, is good news, well done.

BUT! I am staggered. Of all the things; to accuse YOU, of a 'lack of love'. That is a personal opinion based on ---? I certainly do not read ANYTHING here in this most difficult of ALL ministries, that remotely suggests a lack of love.That! My dear brother; is the sorry lot of a faithful watchman! Being verbally stoned by those who do not like being challenged, or having their 'comfort zone' rucked up by an 'INCONVENIENT TRUTH'.

I believe we can safely say that you are now officially ‘dubbed’ a Watchman for The Truth, because the accusing cry of ‘no love’ always swells to try and impede ALL faithful watchmen. Applying a firm hand to the seat of learning regarding God’s Word is rarely appreciated.

Expected Imminently said...

Roma Lynne

As you know nothing about the personal facts of this situation...

Yes, I fully supported John in what he was doing on his blog,nearly from its inception but what has happened has little to do with the work he is producing. You are involving yourself in something you have no knowledge of, and frankly you are re-stoking, and adding fuel to a fire all of us here, and elsewhere, would prefer to have burned out. All except JC of course, as he has now invoked your interference here as a trouble maker.

What I do regret is challenging him here on his unnecessarily devious posts. I should have ignored him entirely, but I was trying to protect the other bloggers and that job belongs to the Lord, not me. My biggest regret is failing to ask John exactly the right question BEFORE I embarked on the blog; had I done that, in hindsight, this whole unpleasant debacle would not have happened. I have already admitted that I made a serious error in judgment, and that is definitely my fault. As old as I am I can still 'get it wrong' and hopefully learn from my mistake.

As for ‘love’; when manufactured, it is superficial, and when the surface is scratched it always crumbles into dust.

Who made you the judge Roma Lynne?

RomaLynn said...

Your response surprises me not at all here Sue.

Reading your first accusations regarding John in the histrionic manner you took on was enough for me to have the right to address you. Then you accuse someone named Jake of being John, and Jake denied it and you persisted.

You should have been corrected by someone on this blogsite the first time but because you have posted here longer they did not. That is their option, but since it is an open blogsite, I can give my opinions here as well. You should have kept this private matter then to a private matter, if that is what you feel about it, rather than slandering a man on the open blogsite.
You, as does John, need much prayer.