tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post7054928436323331953..comments2024-03-18T23:45:52.758-04:00Comments on PROPHECY UPDATE: In the news:Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger93125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-50300888068352149912011-09-10T15:08:30.768-04:002011-09-10T15:08:30.768-04:00Your response surprises me not at all here Sue.
...Your response surprises me not at all here Sue. <br /><br />Reading your first accusations regarding John in the histrionic manner you took on was enough for me to have the right to address you. Then you accuse someone named Jake of being John, and Jake denied it and you persisted.<br /><br />You should have been corrected by someone on this blogsite the first time but because you have posted here longer they did not. That is their option, but since it is an open blogsite, I can give my opinions here as well. You should have kept this private matter then to a private matter, if that is what you feel about it, rather than slandering a man on the open blogsite.<br />You, as does John, need much prayer.RomaLynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07616344918139237247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-44180962124889747512011-09-10T10:21:17.837-04:002011-09-10T10:21:17.837-04:00Roma Lynne
As you know nothing about the personal...Roma Lynne<br /><br />As you know nothing about the personal facts of this situation...<br /><br />Yes, I fully supported John in what he was doing on his blog,nearly from its inception but what has happened has little to do with the work he is producing. You are involving yourself in something you have no knowledge of, and frankly you are re-stoking, and adding fuel to a fire all of us here, and elsewhere, would prefer to have burned out. All except JC of course, as he has now invoked your interference here as a trouble maker. <br /><br />What I do regret is challenging him here on his unnecessarily devious posts. I should have ignored him entirely, but I was trying to protect the other bloggers and that job belongs to the Lord, not me. My biggest regret is failing to ask John exactly the right question BEFORE I embarked on the blog; had I done that, in hindsight, this whole unpleasant debacle would not have happened. I have already admitted that I made a serious error in judgment, and that is definitely my fault. As old as I am I can still 'get it wrong' and hopefully learn from my mistake.<br /><br />As for ‘love’; when manufactured, it is superficial, and when the surface is scratched it always crumbles into dust. <br /><br />Who made you the judge Roma Lynne?Expected Imminentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15138222881636511924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-43546130396139766722011-09-10T02:31:42.839-04:002011-09-10T02:31:42.839-04:00I have been posting with John Chingford’s blogsite...I have been posting with John Chingford’s blogsite for some time now and found him to be honest and sincere in what he is doing there. I have never seen him being rude to Expected Imminently or any other posters on his blogsite. <br /><br />In fact just 8 months back she was praising him for his work on his blogsite.<br /> <br />http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/01/blog-written-from-heart-of-love-and.html<br /><br />John referred me to Prophecy Update by recommendation on August 24 though have always followed prophecy sites myself. <br /><br />He referred me a week before she went to accusing him of the things she is saying on http://prophecyupdate.blogspot.com/2011/08/in-news_31.html<br /><br />I cannot imagine what Sue is doing here on this site accusing him of the things she is saying. I do not understand this at all. He had not said anything against her. I saw all the earlier posts and decided something needed to be said but was not quite sure how to address it. My husband, Roy and I prayed about this and due to the fact we had an ill person in our family had not taken time to address it before. <br /><br />I actually thought well it was old and perhaps done. Then today I see this nonsense here again? You all reacted in her defense, which makes no sense to me at all. Her comments were not appropriate. These comments today are very extreme and almost to the paranoia level. I in no way believe John C is doing any of these things. Please Do Not keep slandering his good name all over the internet. This is not the way a Christian should act on an open posting blogsite.<br /><br />As well I know John has been busy these last few days working on a new blog, as he consulted me for some help. Why would he waste his time doing such nonsense as he is being accused of here.<br /><br />This is Sue's posting on John's blog<br /><br />2:20 PM, January 05, 2011<br />Expected Imminently said...<br />Hello John<br />A Happy and Blessed New Year!I am a little preoccupied with 'last day' events at present. There appears to be a surge of prophetic news occurring right around the globe presently that I would like to get my teeth into, but my dear old Mum is my main priority, she is 89yrs in July and becoming more frail. Seeing you up and running again after the break, is good news, well done.<br /><br />BUT! I am staggered. Of all the things; to accuse YOU, of a 'lack of love'. That is a personal opinion based on ---? I certainly do not read ANYTHING here in this most difficult of ALL ministries, that remotely suggests a lack of love.That! My dear brother; is the sorry lot of a faithful watchman! Being verbally stoned by those who do not like being challenged, or having their 'comfort zone' rucked up by an 'INCONVENIENT TRUTH'. <br /><br />I believe we can safely say that you are now officially ‘dubbed’ a Watchman for The Truth, because the accusing cry of ‘no love’ always swells to try and impede ALL faithful watchmen. Applying a firm hand to the seat of learning regarding God’s Word is rarely appreciated.RomaLynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07616344918139237247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-39036734508315692802011-09-09T15:56:47.614-04:002011-09-09T15:56:47.614-04:00Hi Doc~
Yes, Doc...(head down)...I must admit it-...Hi Doc~<br /><br />Yes, Doc...(head down)...I must admit it-- you may just have to. I have been known to have a case or two of Rascialitis as opposed to a bad case of Sneeratosis which can sometimes lead me to have major pain in the gluteus maximmus turning me into a Rumpasaurus, (if I were a dinosaur )after the hubby sets me straight with his Foot O Scope :) - (ha ha)GGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-71380032523541247822011-09-09T13:15:04.535-04:002011-09-09T13:15:04.535-04:00Dylan,
See what I mean about "waiting for th...Dylan, <br />See what I mean about <a href="http://prophecyupdate.blogspot.com/2011/09/israel-against-all-odds.html?showComment=1315553074312#c6841861776933338129" rel="nofollow"><b>"waiting for the perfect 'setup'</b></a>, which some unwitting souls will always happily provide..."<br />;-DDrNofoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00776844238120339240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-3889871806243796012011-09-09T13:03:54.898-04:002011-09-09T13:03:54.898-04:00GG said... "...one thing I know in ruining pa...GG said... "...one thing I know in ruining past ones..."<br /><br />Aha! So yer the one who goes around 'ruining' forums!<br /><br />We'll have to keep an eye on you too now...<br />;-DDrNofoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00776844238120339240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-56299243657468119942011-09-09T10:48:56.842-04:002011-09-09T10:48:56.842-04:00Oh...no I said ruining instead of running (ha ha)....Oh...no I said ruining instead of running (ha ha). Hold on for more boo-boos of the day. Doc grab your popcorn and a comfy seat . I will be making more I am sure:)<br /><br />GGGGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-35598251316968454472011-09-09T10:46:26.680-04:002011-09-09T10:46:26.680-04:00Hi Sue-
Remember in one of my post how I noted th...Hi Sue-<br /><br />Remember in one of my post how I noted the warning has been laid? you can trust that many in your family here can sense what is going on. This isn't our first forum I suppose and one thing I know in ruining past ones, Imposters who choose to stalk, harras, or try to inflict danger and fear upon another person will get caught and can easily be dealt with by the authorities if needed.<br /><br />So if anyone is doing that, be warned silently you may be monitored and God is an awesome God and has a way to <br />shine light in dark places or lift the heavy rock any snake like Satan chooses to hide under. :)<br /><br />I am being heavily convicted that it is not OK to treat our <br />Brothers and Sisters like this. How ever the message fits<br /><br />Jake, I have had nothing but good dialogue with you and <br />don't wish to lose that. Much may not be right here in <br />America but I do believe innocent until proven guilty. I <br />think God has a few things to say about casting doubt on <br />one another. Sorry Jake if you accidentally got caught in <br />the cross hairs of something really bad for Sue. She really <br />has a big and kind heart. We do teach each other so if you<br /> are still needing answers I am sure others will help too :)<br /><br />Sue, take my hand and off we stroll my dear sis. I hear you but we must rise above this and God will take care of <br />this. Come :) John, enough said as well as we all move onward like Christian soldiers.....<br /><br />Love,<br /><br />GGGGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-906878564371097262011-09-09T10:26:39.256-04:002011-09-09T10:26:39.256-04:00Okay! Have it your own way; you are not yet ANOTH...Okay! Have it your own way; you are not yet ANOTHER version of John CHINGFORD... <br />Mrs Chingford must be so confused poor lady.<br /> <br />I SO agree, I do hope this soon stops, it is indeed very sickening.<br />I leave you both in the capable hands of The Lord.Expected Imminentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15138222881636511924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-47006611609756864602011-09-09T10:03:34.614-04:002011-09-09T10:03:34.614-04:00I am not John. Please stop this. It is sickening.I am not John. Please stop this. It is sickening.Jakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-74610604378270517812011-09-09T09:53:58.220-04:002011-09-09T09:53:58.220-04:00Jake said
'no'!
'NO' what John?...Jake said <br /><br />'no'!<br /><br />'NO' what John? like I said, don't waffle.Expected Imminentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15138222881636511924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-52583955744833819332011-09-09T09:50:22.956-04:002011-09-09T09:50:22.956-04:00Hello GG
Thank you for your concern but I am abso...Hello GG<br /><br />Thank you for your concern but I am absolutely fine. I know John is still playing this deceitful game and I want him to 'come clean' and make a fresh start. He is trying to avoid 'actually lying' , but he needs to realise deceit, and an avoidance of truth is still very much a lie. Let’s face it; we all know who the father of lies is!<br /><br />This isn't the first time he has done this, so he really needs to stop messing about with other peoples feelings, and if he doesn't comply, then he has to live with a lie that The Lord will NOT bless; John will lose out instead of maturing in the Faith AND his Heavenly Father WILL discipline him even more than He is already doing.<br /><br />I KNOW this is John Chingford; and if he wants to use another name - fine; but not by this deceiving route he is navigating. He came here on my previous recommendation, not by chance as he now claims, and because of me he is doing his usual control freak manipulation of all of you (especially you GG) and I feel responsible for you all. At the very least I can make you all aware of what you are up against. BUT for his own sake, John must die to his prideful self pity, stop the mind games and drama and be himself, who he really is warts and all, not this stupid pretence. When John can learn to love God first, his neighbour next, and put himself LAST, it is only then that he will learn what love is really all about; OBEDIENCE to The Word, and accept being ‘defrauded’, if that’s how he sees things and ACTUALLY forgive what he thinks has been done against him, not just pay it lip service as he is doing through these antics.<br /><br />It’s all very well claiming to be a ‘Watchman’; but the first thing we all need to do, and keep doing, is to watch ourselves for sin and error FIRST. It is so easy to point the finger at the failings and errors of others, but the hardest of all is to point the same finger at SELF and say ‘BE GONE’ rather THY WILL BE DONE. <br /><br />God bless you GG; continue to be as ‘gentle as a Dove’ but you also need to be as ‘wise as a serpent’ at the same time.<br />Sue<br />xExpected Imminentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15138222881636511924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-72297916045488093782011-09-09T09:01:08.816-04:002011-09-09T09:01:08.816-04:00nonoJakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-20092137912279855912011-09-09T08:51:51.963-04:002011-09-09T08:51:51.963-04:00Hi Sue~
I am sorry you are having to go through t...Hi Sue~<br /><br />I am sorry you are having to go through this once again. I don't want to see you followed, stalked or harassed by anyone and especially one day longer. I am praying for you today that God in his infinite wisdom and power will intervene on this situation that has lingered here way too long.<br /><br />I say this in a loving spirit that we must trust to some degree here or the devil is going to steal your joy daily on the one platform you help us most on. I would hate to see that over any human. It will ultimately try to steel ours with constant doubt.<br /><br />I am worried if Jake is for real, is this the proper treatment for our fellow brothers and sisters? If it is John and you have great concerns is there something Scott can do here? It makes it hard to post and start building our sharing in these last days with this JC following popping up on you. It concerns me on many levels and I understand your feelings, believe me, it is frustrating.<br /><br />I am more concerned the very thing that you don't want to happen is going to keep happening. It's starting to make it look like your someone, that from what I have come to know you're not but this person who is following you is getting the results to prove otherwise. If we get some newbie's coming they are not going to know the old posts or situation between you two and think this is how we greet and treat others when we know you have been through much more. I know you have nothing but love but as we post regularly it is going to get lost and taken out of context and reflect differently.<br /><br />Can someone help Sue and John in this situation once and for all? I feel it has corrupted the flow of loving energy here. I don't mean any ill-will towards you or John. I don't know the background nor care to sort through it as John took me down that road too. I feel like the devil is trying to ruin what goodness we have going on here and I pray it ceases in the sweet name of Jesus.<br /><br />Sue, we will get you through this, I promise. I just want the newbie's who come now or after we are gone to know that this isn't what this group is about. I believe better of all of us than this mess that has snowballed for weeks now.<br /><br />Hang in there and please if you have a lot of physical proof maybe you can report it to the proper authorities or to Scott and get the protection you deserve. No one should have to walk around feeling like this especially on a Christian forum.<br /><br />God Bless, my dear sister. I am here for you as well as the others.<br /><br />GGGGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-17184140630347306932011-09-09T08:29:50.711-04:002011-09-09T08:29:50.711-04:00You ignoring me John/Jack/Jake/Anon/...
Straight ...You ignoring me John/Jack/Jake/Anon/...<br /><br />Straight answer, no waffling; Yes or No that you are John Chingford.<br /><br /><br />Watching daft videos and speculations won't gen you up on the hard facts of the Rapture you desire to know about John; hard prayerful study is the only answer. KNOW the Truth and then you will know.Expected Imminentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15138222881636511924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-52371330877414916112011-09-09T07:04:10.927-04:002011-09-09T07:04:10.927-04:00I watched the rest of those videos. The author sou...I watched the rest of those videos. The author sounds convincing like he knows his facts. He says things as if they are factual from Judaism. I lack judaism knowledge so cannot tell if he has his facts in place.<br /><br />He says we can know the exact day that the rapture will take place meaning no imminency because "as to the day and hour knowone knows only the father" was an expression used by Jews at feast of trumpets, meaning it takes place just before the new moon can be seen.<br /><br />He goes on to say that Elinen will block the light, so no-one can know when the new moon takes place. That is incorrect. we already know when there will be a new moon it is on our calenders, even if we dont see it.<br /><br />and then he offers the thought that the trail we see could be angels and the whole thing could be Jesus and his party.<br /><br />Before I queried the coming prediction of destruction by elinen that didnty seem to equal the timings in Revelation. Mainly Revelation describes an Act of God.<br /><br />It took God just 6 days to create planet Earth. God acts quickly. The prophecys seem the same. Elinen was known about for a long time and its movements being tracked. I dont see that kind of slowness when I read the many single judgement acts of God in Revelation. He may use natural things in his wrath but isnt it something unobserved?<br /><br />God spoke things into existence instantly in Genesis at the beginning. Wouldnt it be the same at the end? In the Tribulatioin it will be too late for those left behind who take the mark to repent. Their hearts and conscience will have been closed to God anyway. Why would God give them a slow warning of slowish (not immediate) imminent disaster if they will not repent? Just asking.<br /><br />The author is saying it is okay to date set because Jesus did not mean imminency but was pointing to the Jewish understanding of that feast and becausev Jesus has sent Elinen to tell us it will take place THIS September on the New Moon. I ask is he right? I feel uneasy about this.Jakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-12675556300840713762011-09-09T04:48:11.344-04:002011-09-09T04:48:11.344-04:00Agreeing with DrNofog and Scott.
The 'natural ...Agreeing with DrNofog and Scott.<br />The 'natural world' is God's creation, when He uses the elements of earth,wind,fire,flood to bring judgement,then they can be said to be super-NATURAL. i.e. amazingly natural and normal. <br />As is the removal of light, which is darkness.<br /><br />The elements of earth, wind, fire, water are abused in 'Elemental' magic and by rebels to promote false spirits. The fact remains that the elements are God created.<br /><br />The gifts of the Holy Spirit are likewise abused; hyped up to be 'other worldly'or 'mystical'. In reality they are also super-NATURAL; so much so that believers who think they have ended, are observed moving in His gifts without even being aware they are being 'gifted' as the need arises. imoExpected Imminentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15138222881636511924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-48851168778012465672011-09-08T22:17:23.448-04:002011-09-08T22:17:23.448-04:00I may not have understood one of the questions abo...I may not have understood one of the questions above about God not using "the world" or "the ways of the world" ? <br /><br />He does so all the time. Look how He used the Babylonians....He warned Jerusalem through the prophet Jeremiah of what would happen of they didn't repent of their sin....(human actions, human "ways")....<br />When the Israelites refused to repent, God used the Babylonians to siege and destroy Jerusalem. Just one of many many such examples - <br /><br />Maybe I misunderstood the question - but God does this all the time.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00403649419538752058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-25928712862945819682011-09-08T19:23:26.268-04:002011-09-08T19:23:26.268-04:00Anon,
In considering your 1st post, it's like...Anon, <br />In considering your 1st post, it's like "Gee, where to begin...", because it's fraught with conjecture, so I answered accordingly.<br /><br />"Supernatural" is a matter of perspective.<br /><br />The judgment of Nineveh is one that comes to mind; -after a brief period of repentance, it was razed to the ground. Nothin' "supernatural" about that other than it was "prophecied"...<br /><br />"...I can think of many supernatural ones like Moses and Pharoah, Jehoshaphat, Sodom to name just a few, that could and should not be explained away by science or natural means..." <br /><br />"Explained", or "explained away"? <br /><br />See, I have no problem with God using natural processes, troubling rumors [Daniel 11:44], and evil people to do His will, after all, the entire universe carefully follows the most minute foreordained details of His design. True science always testifies to the veracity of His Word. See <a href="http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/sodom.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Sodom</b></a>, proof that it was real...<br /><br />"...The fact is that God rarely uses the methods, ways, or public opinions of the World to fulfil his will..."<br />Unless you have some scriptures to show, that remains conjecture.<br /><br />"...Do not be conformed to this world butr be transformed by the renewing of your minds". <br />Huh? Lost me on that one...<br /><br />I think Isaiah 55:9 better fits where you seemed to be headed, rather than Rom.12.1:<br />"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways..."<br /><br />Yet, that is unlimited in scope, not constraining Him as you suggest:<br />"...If God tells us this, then surely he also practices this..."<br /><br />Also, EI suggested <a href="http://prophecyupdate.blogspot.com/2011/07/daily-headlines.html?showComment=1311663225351#c7042171802775897781" rel="nofollow">this.</a>DrNofoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00776844238120339240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-37021390689379779672011-09-08T18:34:58.999-04:002011-09-08T18:34:58.999-04:00Jake said "goodness gracious, are you serious...Jake said "goodness gracious, are you serious? What a thing to say. How awful. Someone sounds like me? Poor chap"<br /><br />Waffle! Written to mimic my own style.<br /><br />Can you confirm that you are NOT John Chingford - straightforward Yes or No, no waffling. <br /> <br />Anonymous is a positive i.d. Deviousness is dishonest and is completely un-necessary and a blatant LIE after spinning a tale of indignation. Trying it on with me is persistent stalking,it is dragging in my fellow bloggers that I find so repugnant and cowardly.<br /><br />Sue JAKEway for them that don't know my surname! Lone Brit for TOO long, now several turn up like a number 9 Bus! I TOLD you that you would be spotted when you tried it on Bob's Blog - just like poor old Robert Muir - evident by style and mannerisms; they have a way of leaking into the text!Expected Imminentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15138222881636511924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-91774439337073533912011-09-08T18:11:08.048-04:002011-09-08T18:11:08.048-04:00Mr. C-
Thank you so much for taking the time to p...Mr. C-<br /><br />Thank you so much for taking the time to pull this together. I love how you, Sue and Jake worked to show me this. These descriptions or definitions if you will make sense put in this manner. One can't have two Gods right? In short you will love the one and hate the other so to speak. I think God has been so patient, kind, unselfish, loving and forgiving for so long. How much longer should this be expected to go on without a changed heart or mind on our parts? I am so grateful and blessed that he loves me so to send his only son to die for my sins. So thankful to have been blessed for greater change in my life and to follow him. I want to weep when I think about how long I walked around like most of the world.<br /><br />Thanks again..this is deeply appreciated on many levels.<br /><br />God Bless!!<br /><br />GGGGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-86061921506390354592011-09-08T18:10:50.798-04:002011-09-08T18:10:50.798-04:00I realize that's a little lengthy and a lot of...I realize that's a little lengthy and a lot of reading....not all in agreement but its a good background on the verse.....well, IMHO.Caverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501263352164217716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-48352619133188208992011-09-08T17:55:29.296-04:002011-09-08T17:55:29.296-04:00Cond...
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
2:...Cond...<br /><br />Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary<br />2:5-12 Something hindered or withheld the man of sin. It is supposed to be the power of the Roman empire, which the apostle did not mention more plainly at that time. Corruption of doctrine and worship came in by degrees, and the usurping of power was gradual; thus the mystery of iniquity prevailed. Superstition and idolatry were advanced by pretended devotion, and bigotry and persecution were promoted by pretended zeal for God and his glory. This mystery of iniquity was even then begun; while the apostles were yet living, persons pretended zeal for Christ, but really opposed him. The fall or ruin of the antichristian state is declared. The pure word of God, with the Spirit of God, will discover this mystery of iniquity, and in due time it shall be destroyed by the brightness of Christ's coming. Signs and wonders, visions and miracles, are pretended; but they are false signs to support false doctrines; and lying wonders, or only pretended miracles, to cheat the people; and the diabolical deceits with which the antichristian state has been supported, are notorious. The persons are described, who are his willing subjects. Their sin is this; They did not love the truth, and therefore did not believe it; and they were pleased with false notions. God leaves them to themselves, then sin will follow of course, and spiritual judgments here, and eternal punishments hereafter. These prophecies have, in a great measure, come to pass, and confirm the truth of the Scriptures. This passage exactly agrees with the system of popery, as it prevails in the Romish church, and under the Romish popes. But though the son of perdition has been revealed, though he has opposed and exalted himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; and has spoken and acted as if he were a god upon earth, and has proclaimed his insolent pride, and supported his delusions, by lying miracles and all kinds of frauds; still the Lord has not yet fully destroyed him with the brightness of his coming; that and other prophecies remain to be fulfilled before the end shall come.Caverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501263352164217716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-90818515529311003592011-09-08T17:54:43.555-04:002011-09-08T17:54:43.555-04:00Vincent's Word Studies
Strong delusion (ἐνέρ...Vincent's Word Studies<br />Strong delusion (ἐνέργειαν πλάνης)<br />Rev., literally and correctly, a working of error. See on working 2 Thessalonians 2:9. The phrase is unique in N.T. It means an active power of misleading. For πλάνη error which shows itself in action, see on 1 Thessalonians 2:3.<br />A lie (τῷ ψεύδει)<br />Properly, the lie. The article gives the generic sense, falsehood in all its forms. Comp. John 8:44; Romans 1:25; Ephesians 4:25. Comp. the contrast of truth and unrighteousness in 2 Thessalonians 2:12. All wrongdoing has an element of falsity. <br />________________________________________<br />Geneva Study Bible<br />And for this cause God shall send them {n} strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:<br />(n) A most mighty working to deceive them.<br />________________________________________<br />People's New Testament<br />2:11 For this cause God shall send them strong delusion. Because they do not receive the truth.<br />That they should believe a lie. He who refuses to receive the truth will at last believe lies. It is the law of human nature. God sends the delusion by natural laws.<br />________________________________________<br />Wesley's Notes<br />2:11 Therefore God shall send them - That is, judicially permit to come upon them, strong delusion.<br />________________________________________<br />Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary<br />11. for this cause-because "they received not the love of the truth." The best safeguard against error is "the love of the truth."<br />shall send-Greek, "sends," or "is sending"; the "delusion" is already beginning. God judicially sends hardness of heart on those who have rejected the truth, and gives them up in righteous judgment to Satan's delusions (Isa 6:9, 10; Ro 1:24-26, 28). They first cast off the love of the truth, then God gives them up to Satan's delusions, then they settle down into "believing the lie": an awful climax (1Ki 22:22, 23; Eze 14:9; Job 12:16; Mt 24:5, 11; 1Ti 4:1).<br />strong delusion-Greek, "the powerful working of error," answering to the energizing "working of Satan" (2Th 2:9); the same expression as is applied to the Holy Ghost's operation in believers: "powerful" or "effectual (energizing) working" (Eph 1:19).<br />believe a lie-rather, "the lie" which Antichrist tells them, appealing to his miracles as proofs of it . (2Th 2:9).Caverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501263352164217716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3432851080052468710.post-92227363050764542552011-09-08T17:52:43.371-04:002011-09-08T17:52:43.371-04:00cond...
Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
God ...cond...<br /><br />Clarke's Commentary on the Bible<br />God shall send them strong delusion - For this very cause, that they would not receive the love of the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness, therefore God permits strong delusion to occupy their minds; so that they believe a lie rather than the truth, prefer false apostles and their erroneous doctrines to the pure truths of the Gospel, brought to them by the well-accredited messengers of God; being ever ready to receive any false Messiah, while they systematically and virulently reject the true one. <br />________________________________________<br />Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible<br />And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,.... Or "efficacy of error", which God may be said to send; and the Alexandrian copy reads, "does send"; because it is not a bare permission but a voluntary one; or it is his will that error should be that truth may be tried, and be illustrated by its contrary, and shine the more through the force of opposition to it; and that those which are on the side of it might be made manifest, as well as that the rejecters of the Gospel might be punished; for the efficacy of error is not to be considered as a sin, of which God cannot be the author, but as a punishment for sin, and to which men are given up, and fall under the power of, because they receive not the love of the truth, which is the reason here given: and this comes to pass partly through God's denying his grace, or withholding that light and knowledge, by which error may be discovered and detected; and by taking from men the knowledge and conscience of things they had, see Romans 1:28. So that they call evil good, and good evil, and do not appear to have the common sense and reason of mankind, at least do not act according to it; and by giving them up to judicial blindness and hardness of heart, and to the god of this world, to blind their minds; and without this it is not to be accounted for, that the followers of antichrist should give into such senseless notions as those of transubstantiation, works of supererogation, &c., or into such stupid practices as worshipping of images, praying to saints departed, and paying such a respect to the pretended relics of saints, &c., as they do; but a spirit of slumber is given them, and eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, because of their rejection of the Gospel: and <br />that they should believe a lie; that the pope is Christ's vicar on earth, and has power to forgive sins; that the bread and wine in the Lord's supper are transubstantiated into the very body and blood of Christ; with other lying tenets spoken in hypocrisy concerning good works, merit, pardon, penance; &c. with a multitude of lying wonders and false miracles, of which their legends are full; and this is the first and more near end of strong delusion or efficacious error being sent them; the more remote and ultimate one follows.Caverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04501263352164217716noreply@blogger.com