Thursday, August 2, 2012

In The News:

"If I Were Iranian, I'd Be Fearful Of The Next 12 Weeks

Former Mossad chief Efraim Halevy added to speculation of an impending Israeli military strike against Iran's nuclear program in a statement published by The New York Times Wednesday.

"If I were an Iranian, I would be very fearful of the next 12 weeks," Halevy said.

Speculation in the media and in political circles about the timing of a potential attack on Iran has focused in recent weeks on whether it needs to happen over the summer, before the US elections, or if it can wait until afterward, maybe as far away as next spring.

Earlier in the week, both Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned that time was running out for sanctions and diplomacy to have an effect on Iran's nuclear ambitions. Both men made the statements during a visit to Israel by US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta.

“We clearly have something to lose by this stretched time [during] which sanctions and diplomacy takes place, because the Iranians are moving forward, not just in enrichment,” Barak said.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak has informed US Defense Secy Leon Panetta that Israel will make its own decisions on how to deal with Iran.

The two men discussed the issue at a special reception held at the Defense Ministry's Kirya military base in Tel Aviv on Wednesday before taking a tour of an iron Dome installation in Ashkelon.

Barak told Panetta during their time together that Israel's government would decide for itself how it will deal with its own security issues – including the existential threat posed by the Iranian nuclear development program.

Barak pointed out that while sanctions and diplomatic efforts might have some place in that equation, they are unlikely to have any real impact on preventing the Ayatollahs from continuing that program.

Such a threat cannot be ignored, least of all by Israel.

This report reveals the deep conflict between the U.S. and Israel regarding Iran:

Iran has ”yet to make the choice it needs to make, which is to abandon its nuclear weapons ambitions,” White House spokesperson Jay Carney said in a press briefing aboard Air Force One Wednesday.

“We completely agree with the [Israeli] prime minister’s assessment that Iran has failed to make that choice and that is absolutely a disappointment,” added Carney, presenting a united front between the two countries as visiting Defense Secretary Leon Panetta completed a day of meetings with Israeli leaders.

But a Channel 2 news report said irritated American officials are telling Israel that it is overplaying its hand with its constant warnings about time running out on stopping Iran’s nuclear program and its threats to launch military action against Iran

The message being conveyed by Obama Administration officials behind the scenes, the TV report said, is that the US knows what it is doing on Iran, and that while an Israeli strike could damage the Iranian program, an American strike, if deemed necessary, would finish it. Israel ought to stop talking about deadlines, and stop risk being perceived as meddling with domestic American politics ahead of November’s presidential elections.

The Channel 2 report came hours after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, at the outset of his meeting with Panetta, had blamed the West for failing to sufficiently impress upon the Iranians that they would not be allowed to attain a nuclear weapon.

“Right now the Iranian regime believes that the international community does not have the will to stop its nuclear program,” Netanyahu said. “This must change, and it must change quickly, because time to resolve this issue peacefully is running out.”

Dan Cathy could have saved his company, Chick-Fil-A, a lot of trouble. All he had to do was keep his views about family to himself.

Instead, he answered a question honestly. In a recent media interview, the company’s president and COO said what he believes and why he believes it. But his politically incorrect views are intolerable, judging from the anger of many on the left, including several big-city officials who are dead-set against his views.

Now, spirited debates about controversial topics are an American tradition. But it didn’t stop there. The politicians began threatening to block Chick-Fil-A’s plans to expand in their cities.

At this point, we’ve moved well beyond debate. It’s a free-speech issue now.

These officials did not merely express an opposite point of view. They threatened to use their political power to punish a man, and those who work for him, for saying something they disagree with. The message this sent is crystal-clear -- and chilling: Conform to the “accepted” view, or else.

“We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles,” Cathy added in the interview that led to the controversy.

After hearing the way he’s been treated since then, you have to wonder: Do we, in fact, live in such a country anymore?

Let's say that you own a business. And let's say that as a person of faith, you decide to use the profits from that business to support, at least in some small part, traditional marriage. Now let's say that your political opponents find your position stunning and launch a boycott against your business.

So far, no harm, no foul. It may be irritating that your political opponents choose to make your personal political predilections the basis of a crushing economic attack. But it's their right.

But now let's say your political opponents are in government. And let's say they use the power of their office to shut down your business — not because you violated any law or broke any regulation, but because they don't like your position on traditional marriage.

This would be fascism.

This is the difference between free speech and fascism. It's one thing for people to choose not to engage in business with people with whom they disagree. That's often nasty and extreme, but it's certainly within First Amendment territory.

It's another thing entirely for the government to step in to punish people who disagree with liberal policies, simply because they disagree with liberal policies. That's fascistic. It's deeply dangerous. And it's becoming the ugly new attitude of the Democratic Party elite.


Anonymous said...

Scott... I would love your thoughts on this: The Obama admin is really trying to discourage Israel from attacking Iran... as you posted, "overplaying their hand". Not long ago, Obama asked that Netanyahu not attack until after the elections. The admin talks about supporting Israel, but talk is cheap. In your opinion, why do you think Obama would definitely not want Israel to strike? Do you think that it would expose his non-support?... would he not back them up, and therefore jeopardize his re-election?

On another note: I LOVED the outpouring of support for Chick Fil-A yesterday. I was there, and even though we were all strangers, we talked like old friends. The feeling is amazing when you're with like-minded people, and it was so encouraging to see people come out and make a stand. Of course... it's really easy when you get a good meal out of it. I hope it's the same when it comes to doing something hard. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

Anonymous said...

I tried so hard to be patient while in the drive through for chic-fil-a and could not, but there was overwhelming support there. I'm guessing there were a good 25 or 30 cars there almost starting to block the mainstreet where I'm at southeast of Denver. And this was at 8:20 p.m.! -Jec

nathan said...

Okay this is completely off subject . What do you think of this idea though ? Its to promote awareness of prophecy and cloth the homeless . So you know how Tebowing" and "planking" became worldwide and nationwide phenoms ? What if we all got together with our churches and promoted the idea of "got Raptured" T-shirts then went to poorer neighbor hoods and left the shirts on top of a free pair of pants and socks and shoes (as if we had all been taken up) Then left a sign saying help yourself to these clothes i don't need them anymore ? If the kids picked this up as a trend it could go viral and we might get some people to think about the events going on around us ???? What do you think ?

Ally said...

Nathan-I think the Holy Spirit is talking to you! Lol! Lets do it!!!!!! I don't have a church but I definately can get the word out. Will wait for your cinfirmation first.
Maybe for the tshirts, instead of doing something in huge letters, because a lot of non Christians probably wouldnt wear them, the inside of the neck could be printed or an outside print on the hem about an inch or two tall that says "RAPTURE" or rapturewear or something like that. And we could safety pin (a little gold one) with red satin ribbon or scarlet thread a printed card with a blessing and a simple gospel message and the sinners prayer!
I can visualize it so perfectly. Yep, Holy Spirit! Now can we do it before the kids go back to school? Is there time? What a blessing for single moms and kids. New shoes, pants, socks and a shirt!!!!
I am so stoked. Nathan-its brilliant, absolutely brilliant!

Ally said...

Actually Nathan, Got Raptured is totally cool. And I will help you however I can! I just got really excited about it. I love when you can meet someones physical and spiritual needs similanteously! :)

GG said...

Hi Nathan & Ally~

Seems you both are being prompted by the HS at this time. Since you are asking for suggestions, here may be a few thoughts before venturing out:

-Pray about it and see if you have peace and what type of thoughts you get in your prayer mode.

-Approach other members of your church and friends and receive their insights into this overall wonderful intent. They may think of things you may not have thought of.

-Check to see if it is in line with the message God is giving in these last days. For example, to use "Got Raptured" now implies it already happened. So when the big day comes it may not be taken in the same effect that we want to line them up for the message of Salvation. :) So, maybe something in a future tense, like ..(just shooting from the hip here..."Are you ready to be raptured?" Remember you are going up against Harold C's past work of false date setting in a sense.

Remember, no matter where you go, the people, homeless or not are going to have HUGE questions as to what that means. So you want to fill in that gap too while delivering the clothes :)

Go gettem'...don't lose the fire, just pray and see what comes to mind. The Lord may have a greater message to add to that thought process. It's nice to see good used for Gods glory. Now you two will have to find a way to connect offline to really work this thought.

I do believe he prompts us to answer the different calls :) Ask the overall question...Does this Glorify God and all he stands for? Is this his message to the people?

God Bless!!


Dutch Treat said...

Each month my mom gets the AFA (American Family Association) magazine. They've been after Home-Depot due to their involvement with gay-rights causes. Yet you never hear about that on the MSM; but then again, considering their politically correct agenda, should we be surprised?

Israeli said...

Back to the topic, Obama is telling Bibi that the US will deal with Iran's nuclear facilities in its own way and its own timing. He is asking Israel to just trust him. Bibi cannot afford to allow the only window of oportunity to deal with Iran that Israel has, to pass by, where as Obama CAN afford to let it pass by. Basically, our government does not trust the White House, and, it cannot afford to.

WVBORN56 said...

Israeli, we don't trust our government either. Stick with and trust Bibi or better yet trust in the Lord. Hopefully we will be going home soon! God Bless!

Scott said...

Anon (first comment) - thats a very good question and (imo) much deeper than first blush.

I think there could be several reasons. One thing you read from time to time is the fact that the Obama administration seems to NOT want to see this war before the elections. I'm not sure why they would think this way, but they must have some reasons.

I also believe that ultimately, they don't care whether Iran gets a nuke or not - because its Israel that is in the crosshairs (primarily) of Iran. The rhetoric could be just that - rhetoric, with the US never intending to deal with the Iranian nukes - and only saying so now in order to get the Jewish vote in elections.

You also make a very good point - it could be the final exposure of his lack of support. I have a very hard time seeing him come to Israel's defense (and prophetically we know no one will come to their defense at Gog-MaGog and very very doubtful at the time of Isaiah 17. So we already know we won't be supporting them at the time of those battles.

Caver said...

Anon, if I could chime in on this too.

You know, only one country/leader supports the Muslim Brotherhood.....who are the most aggressive toward destroying Israel. That country/leader is the USA/Obama. Not China, not Russia, Not most of the ME countries....only Obama.

Remember how Obama treated Bibi and Israel at the beginning of the Administration. Humiliating them until Bibi maneuvered Obama into a no=win corner to the point Obama must publically be seen as supporting Israel.

Before the Administration took office after the election his main adviser said there must be a new ME reality. We had to separate from Israel and leave them on their own. They hate Israel in general and Bibi in particular. He's taken Obama to school on the world stage several times.

NO, I think Obama is trying to string Israel until Iran can't be stopped...and after the election abandon them completely.

As for the date....if the attack happens before the election, the sea lanes close, oil goes up, and our economy tanks in short order. Obama is blamed, as he should be, and he loses the election.

Obama would throw Israel under the closest buss if allowed and laugh as she died.

My humble opinion....

Scott said...

Caver - I completely agree and especially with your first point regarding support of the Muslim Brotherhood - and we're seen that abundantly in Egypt and now Syria...In a way, 'we' are directly contributing to those who desire to destroy Israel.

Genesis 12:3 looms

Anonymous said...

do you think that Iran would need those allies in Gog-Magog war, if they have nuke?

Caver said...

Anon, I believe that is when God fully turns His face back to His children...Israel.

Read Ez. He starts turning during Is 17, and completes the turn by the middle of the Invasion. Israel and everyone else will see the supernatural events, God's hand and God's hand only, save His children.

Before that, salvation is by faith and we are ruptured out and do not face His wrath during the trib. After that, salvation is not by faith, but by seeing, and they must endure the trib.

Caver said...


Running out the door on an appointment but going to take just a second here.....

Now, that was very insightful.....

You come on and ask a question as a presumed newbie....but your not…are ya

You get a general answer....

Then you come on splitting hairs and quoting scripture....and out of context to my way of thinking....that MO sure sounds familiar?

Forgive me if I'm wrong here...but it appears you ...

1. Intentionally laid a stumbling block in a brother or sister's path
2. Used your answer to glorify yourself.

Now, many in OT times actually saw God's work, and heard Him.

We are now in the Church age. After Jesus, salvation is by faith and, of course, always by grace.

After the Church is gone, ended, and God alone saves Israel in Ezekiel 38, it is not just by faith because God has revealed Himself, it is by site. Are you confusing the Church and the Trib Saints again? Why does that sound familiar? Where is this leading to? Same attempt at arguing the Mid-Trib – Pre-Wrath false teaching perhaps? Not a lot of Hope in that now is there? Still trying to create an opening to try to propagate that we are all going through the Trib?

You really need to answer the questions Scott posted to you many times before getting back to this. There is no creditability to your argument until you do.

Anonymous said...

Why was my comment deleted?

Caver said...

Got to chuckle, the Anon's comment after my first one was appears I was responding to my imagination......

Anon, your comment was deleted because you are so obvious in again trying to argue the Pre Wrath mess and intrude where you have repeatedly been asked not to by Scott.

Anonymous said...

the question i posted about iran having nuke on Gog-magog war? has nothing to do with pre wrath, whatever thing.
you responded with what you believe regarding salvation and i have just reminded you of ep 2, heb 11 and 1 cor 13.
and since you said that"after that, salvation is not by faith, but by seeing"
Instead of sharing your basis of belief, you howl like a girl, accusing me of things.
Can't you not support your belief be the reason of your outrageous comments?

Anonymous said...

Why must you continue on this destructive path anon? You can't even have a simple conversation without ALWAYS turning it into a platform for your own amusement. You are not happy unless you can create a ruse, it is so old.

Anonymous said...

God reveals himself to noah, even hear His Voice, the flood and everything.
God reveals himself to Abraham and heard his Voice and still their action is through faith.
God saves Israel when he gather them to rebuilt the second temple, and that waa still through faith.
Enoch was translated, Elijah was taken, and Jesus was caught up. still we live through faith.
It is just a reminder, i am not pushing you to believe that.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 10:07 am,
I joined the conversation about " conversation on iran nuke- gog magog etc, with just a simple question which i think is related to thw topic, iran nuke at the timing of gog and magog.
caver responded with what he believes, i reminded him of some verses relating to faith.
Then an outburts of outrageous comments.Unbelievable.

... said...

Deleted??? Really, Scott?

Anonymous said...

Scott or ... , you are mature enough to throw that kind of sarcastic comment.
30 years of studying prophecy and how old are you around 50 or more?

we should be learning from you.

Anonymous said...

I am the anon that posted the 1st comment. I'm hoping that Carver was not talking about me. It was my only post on this thread, and Scott replied with some great insights. I did not make any more posts after that. Maybe there should be numbers or something added to each anon title so that there is no confusion. It's hard to know who the accusations are directed towards.

WVBORN56 said...

Anonymous said...
"I am the anon that posted the 1st comment. I'm hoping that Carver was not talking about me. It was my only post on this thread, and Scott replied with some great insights. I did not make any more posts after that. Maybe there should be numbers or something added to each anon title so that there is no confusion. It's hard to know who the accusations are directed towards."

If you would be so kind as to leave a name even an a anonymous name we could avoid the confusion. Other wise it appears that confusion is what is desired.

CAver said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am the anon that posted the 1st comment. I'm hoping that Carver was not talking about me

Chuckle, sorry for the anxious moment. Absolutely now.

It was the Anon at 5:47 am and then their follow -up post which was deleted by Scott.

It was a set-n-bait to get a certain argument going. That Anon does it regularly and is why we all support WV's suggestion of at least signing a name with your post.

Anonymous said...

LOL... well I am very certain that I would not be posting anything at 5:47 am. Definitely not a morning person!


john 3:16 said...

you sounds like your wife and was reminded of 2tim3:3

Caver said...

And we both throw this back at ya...
2 Timothy 3:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

By Anon, John, and multitudes of reflections in the mirror....take care