Saturday, July 23, 2011

What Will September Bring?

Thanks to Jec for finding this one. Jerry Golden always reminds us of what Israel is facing in the near future, and it is a good reminder to take a look at the current status of the powder keg known as the Middle East:

What Will September Bring?

We've all heard it said, "Smile - Things Could Be Worse" so we smiled and sure enough things got worse. Okay I know that is not a nice way to begin a report. Yet as most of us try to remain positive it seems to become more difficult to do so every day with the horrible news coming at us from all directions.

The war here in Israel always seems to be on the very edge of happening. Sometimes it is a little more frightening than others - and this is one of those times. All indicators are now pointing to September of this year, - if these indicators are true, and war is imminent, it would seem to me that the element of surprise is no longer a factor on either side.

So, the advantage would go to the one who pulls the trigger first. If you give that some thought, it's way past time to prepare.

Therefore we all should be on our faces before God in prayer.

Because this war will be far worse than any before here in Israel, and even our top Generals are telling us in our Israeli newspapers, that many will die in this coming war.


Sometimes we forget just how close we may be to seeing war in this region. We also forget just how prepared all sides are to go to war:

I have reported many times about the unbelievable build-up of long and medium range missiles amassed at our northern border. They are estimated now at over 50,000 and many are believed to be loaded with chemical warheads. Syria now is faced with nothing less than a civil war and Assad confronted with his final days unless he can find a way out. War with Israel is looking better to him every day.

Hamas in Gaza is now fully armed for war. The Egyptian border is open and in the control of the Moslem Brotherhood. The same Moslem Brotherhood that gave birth to Hamas in Gaza.

They no longer have to depend on smuggling tunnels, they come across now by truck caravans. Keep in mind that we are speaking of Islamists who love death more than you love life, and have for generations indoctrinated their kids that to die for Allah whilst killing Jews is the way to their "heaven".


And we have to recall who is working behind the scenes:

And anyone who believes that Iran doesn't already have nuclear weapons is well past being naive They are plain stupid. The CVN 77 G.H.W. Bush has just entered the Persian Gulf along with CVN 76 Ronald Reagan. These aircraft carriers don't travel alone, but with a group of battleships and at least one nuclear submarine

Israel, in the meantime, is caught between a rock and hard place. If they wait too long and the missiles start falling upon Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem they have given up the first strike advantage. If they hit Iran [the real source to all the above] they will be blamed for starting World War III. Nevertheless, the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people is not an option therefore something has to happen - and very soon.


Is really is a region that is just on the brink.

But nothing will happen outside of God's plan, and that includes the timing of the various wars and battles that are to be fought.

Meanhwhile, we are specifically directed to be on the watch for Jesus during these times:

"Be on guard! Be Alert!

If He comes suddenly, do not let him catch you sleeping."

(Mark 13:33-37)

"It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes."
(Luke 12:37)

"It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night."
(Luke 12:38)

Ready and watching.

That's how He wants to find us - not trembling in fear, but looking up with the faith that we know what awaits us in the midst of these signs.

"Amen. Come, Lord Jesus"
(Revelation 22:20)

35 comments:

kathy Russell said...

I think our faithfulness in praying for the peace of Jerusalem is best done remembering their need for salvation. Recently a 92 yr old Saint died in our church and when his granddaughter shared at his service she recalled learning to pray like her Grandparents who daily lifted 90 + of their family to the Lord by name. Faithfully Jack prayed for the peace of jerusalem. Once while picking up on that and joining his prayer jack corrected her emphasis. He said Pray for the spiritual peace of Jerusalem. They do not know Him yet.
They are a sinful nation too. Some of their enemies are enemies because of torture or hoarding water or parading teenagers with uzis past revered older Arabs with haughtiness and strong sense of entitlement that they deserve Jerusalem.
On a Christian note when we see one another parade with emphasis on our numbers, our great buildings, our huge number of fix it books for the better life when our divorce rates have reached noxious proportions and our views of success are so skewed, we look and act like hypocrites.Judgment starts with the household of God. The Lord is going to judge Israel too not just the palestinians. In fact many palestinians have a strong Christian belief.Yes I will pray and hope for the blindness that is on the Jews to be removed. For when they believe it means life from the dead for us too. Theirs are the patriarchs, the Scriptures , the kings and prophets. And theirs is the son of David. But as long as the son of David has spread out His tentpegs to include those in the highways and byways, it behooves us to have little political opinion in this. We are citizens of the Jerusalem that is above and is coming. Just musing here not correcting anybody.

WVBORN56 said...

Praying for Israel and the peace of Jerusalem and waiting and watching with my fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord. Come Lord Jesus and in the time we wait, save many in these last days.

Nice find Jec and good encouragement from God's Word Scott. Blessings!

It looks we are coming down to the wire this fall folks. My best guess says we are a "Go" betweeen Isaiah 17/Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39 (Gog-Magog) wars.

I have been to more weddings this summer than anytime in my life too. Maybe just another subtle reminder/reference from our Lord refering to His coming as in the Days of Noah..."they shall be eating and drinking and giving in marriage"

Ann Marie said...

Thanks Kathy, very good point on praying for the spiritual peace of Jerusalem.
Here is a link to a message from the Pastor of Calvary Chapel in Kaneohe,HI. He does a nice job of putting many of the pieces together. mid east prophecy by aloha biblestudy
Blessings
AM

Scott said...

Kathy
What you are saying (interestingly) parallels what Joel Rosenberg said at the end of his commentary - a couple of posts below.

If you didn't click on the link - go to it and see what it says at the very end of the article. Its very interesting in concert with what you are saying.

Anonymous said...

Oh Kathy, what a touching story!
This would be a good time to pray for Jerry Golden and his ministry. A man who tells it like it is, and loves the Lord with all his heart (like our fearless leader here, Scott) :)
Heavenly Father-we pray for the peace of Jerusalem. We raise up all the inhabitants of the earth to you right now, be they Muslim, Jew or any other religion! We pray for their eyes and hearts to be opened wide to the Gospel of Jesus Christ! We ask for mercy and guidance and an abundant outpouring of your Holy Spirit. We ask not for a portion, or a double portion but 1000 fold portion so we may have the strength and wisdom to do all you created us to do. And heavenly Father, please give Jerry Golden the boat he needs to rescue the Jews. And help him find the safe places he needs for the Jews here in America too. And Father, thank you for all things especially the love and fellowship at this blog. In Jesus name. Amen ally

Scott said...

Amen.

kathy Russell said...

Amen.

Caver said...

Hi Miss Kathy,
Your post was interesting but I think I will continue to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. That's what my heart says and that's precisely what the bible instructs me to do. In fact, I think there are a few admonishments in the Bible about those that change its words.

And yes, IMHO, Israel has every right to parade around Jerusalem as if they own it. Well, beside God...they do. He gave it to them, and them only, and then they won it in conflict after being attacked by the Arabs....once again. Israel then turned around and offered the Arab folk living there citizenship that they cherish today. And the UN gave them a country all their own....Trans Jordan. They got threw out of there because they tried to kill the king and take that over too.

And, If I were attacked as savagely as Israel has been by the enemy I would have no hesitation in parading around a few of those responsible too. I don't care who I paraded the cold blooded murders around in front of....even their moms and dads who raised them with that hate

You say some of their enemies are enemies because Israel tortures them. Really!!!! Please give us an example or two. Then may I provide a couple hundred of examples of the Pallies murdering, butchering the Israelis....firing rockets on civilian targets and schools with no military value. May I remind you the Pallies teach killing and hating starting in pre school. They even have Mickey Mouse and other youth cartoons to teach the honor of suicide bombings and murder. Show me one instance where Israel does what the Pallies do as standard practice. You can't. They don't.

For the life of me, this post sounds more like talking points and propaganda of the Pallies than statements of fact.

I think we find some words in Scripture about these times and who the Lord sees as the aggressor.

Ezekiel 25 15-17

15Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred;

16Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast.

17And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.

Anonymous said...

Scott >>>>

sad to say, it is NOT time yet.
I wish it was BUT I must face reality. Stocks are still going up,
the DOW up 200 + this past week.

and still no sign of AC....

IF you see any sign of the AC, please let me know....

Im still watching, but nothing yet.

Stephen in Hawaii !!!!

Anonymous said...

Scott-There is something really weird going on near Barstow, Ca right now. There is nothing but desert there really and Interstate 15 and 40 make the split in Barstow. Mt. Pisgah volcano is there, but its really old lava beds etc. She hasn't erupted in like 2000 years but she just did something, steam, lava ash, don't know. Huge amount of smoke, on the weather radar, now "they" have
blocked that section of the country off the satelite feeds. It was big enough to see from outer space and went all the way to Arizona so how can they hide this? ally

Caver said...

Ally, good catch. Reported on http://www.youtube.com/user/dutchsinse#p/u/0/7X9-pV67DvU

Anonymous said...

Caver-I do agree with you! Many Christians have been taught quite erroniously about "Palestine" and Israel. There is a guy who was Muslim and is now converted-sorry I can't remember his name right now-but his family was really high up in one of the terror groups, maybe hamas? He wrote a book about it. But he is sort of a scam artist. He still despises Israel and a lot of Christians have fallen for his lies sadly. I love the Jews and the muslims both. Both groups are blinded because they don't know Jesus.
As someone who has been inside many jails in the u.s.a, I can assure you, Israeli prisons are much nicer than here. You get your own room, private bathroom and shower and the food is decent. No, I haven't been incarcerated there but I have some Messianic jewish friends who have been, for trying to preach the gospel (you can do it if you are a christian, but they are not to keen on it if you are jewish mrssianic rabbi)LOL
As for torture-well at least none of the muslims have been buried in sand up to their necks and stoned to death at the age of 9 by the Israeli's. You know that is what the muslims do to young girls when they get raped. Because the girl "tempted" the man just be being born a female. The man, of course gets no punishment. Islam is one of the darkest, sickest religions around. The gays think us Christians are uptight. What til they get sharia law here! Death! Thats what you get for being gay in a muslim nation. You can be as flaming as you want in Israel. You can be as muslim as you want in Israel, or Christian or atheist. Try anything but Islam in an Islamic nation. DEATH!
I thought maybe Kathy had lived there for a few years and this was her eye witness account so I didn't want to stir stuff up. I always feel like I'm stirring stuff up and that is never my intent.
But boy is she right on with the House of the Lord better clean themselves up quickly! and I'm one of 'em trying to get right as fast as I can! Lovn you all-ally

Scott said...

So what is it? A volcano?
Is the MSM carrying this story?

Scott said...

Caver makes a good point - I agree that the covenant between God and Abraham was forever and unconditional. They should have Jerusalem in its entirety (not just 1/2 of Jerusalem) in terms of ownership; I think thats clear.

God's judgment on the surrounding nations is primarily due to their mistreatment of the Nation of Israel -- God's judgment of the Nation of Israel is because of their unbelief problems. There is a difference IMO.

Anonymous said...

Great Post! Thanks Scott:

Gary in Indonesia

kathy Russell said...

Dear Caver,

I appreciate your support of the Jewish people. Believe me when I say that I stand with them. My musings probably poorly stated, were more about the heart of what I ( and I'm sure all of us) hope for them.
I take it seriously when you say the Bible has something to say about those who change what it says. I do not want to gloss anything.
I went to all the Scriptures Mrs. C. cited. ( A wonderful post) but even though I am a Bible teacher I still struggle with understanding the order, or sequence of prophecy. it is intentionally the glory of God to both know it and reveal it. The verses you cited are of course a judgement (and God's are perfect!) against the Gaza region. But it is also true that when He lambasts Tyre ( lebanon)in the next chapter that He says He will do it with Nebudcanezzer) and that they will not be a city any longer(?), I hesitate with my assurance that my understanding is always right on. I don't get it.
The timing of these things and their exact or repetitive fulfillings leave me reaching not absolute in understanding. they will not be a city any longer?
When the NT writers quote OT prophecy it is total revelation, not something that one would discover in sequential, contextual reading. I am trying to say that when we use Scripture to support our political viewpoints that it is dangerous too.
The judgments of the Lord are fearsome and yet He promises too the restoring of Arabs as well. He loves the offspring of Ishmael too. I hate the groups that have perpetrated horror and kept their families in bondage to hatred.
There are unholy practices of both groups . Israel has been in a fight since her rebirth and it was (I think and believe Scriptures teach), a holy gift to become Israel overnight. The dry bones coming together. God is using her to make the Arabs jealous the way HE is using Christians to make Jews jealous. His gifts and calling are irrevocable and yet they are given in grace. I think when we as a body of Christ with the sword of Scripture drive home our points on the back of coming sorrows we need to duck.We need to pray for believers in BOTH Israel and the Arab lands to be strong and faithful and true. And to pray for the unbelieving the gift of repentance and for eyes and ears to hear.
I believe that the Lord will be angry with us if on the morning these is 17 , Psalm 83, Ez judgments comes to pass if we are cheering and saying See? we told you!

He is in control but Hid heart is wanting repentance .
That's our message. We were living in selfishness and rebellion and He came. He came for us. So when we see others living that way we ought to be prayerful for them.

It is late and I can't type worth beans. Hope some of this makes sense. I love Israel and I stand with her in this conflict but not because of her good acts. But because she is God's choice.

kathy Russell said...

Scott,

I believe Jerusalem belongs to Israel too. In entirety. By grace.
Hey I reread Joels post. He said it way better..:)

Anonymous said...

Scott-I don't know yet what is going on there but I will let you know as soon as I do. ally :)

Caver said...

Thanks Kathy, for the clarification.

I know of no case of Israel murdering or torturing PLO prisoners. In fact, the Pallies have been know to intentionally get arrested just so they could go to the relative luxury, well fed, and humane treatment of Israeli prisons.

Whenever I sense revisionist, twisted, humanist, or PC approaches to the Jews or Israel my hackles go up. It is exactly this mindset and willingness that gave birth to Replacement Theology and the Replacement Theology belief that lead to Hitler's ability to exterminate 6 million Jews and a world wide justification for an estimated 7-10 MILLION Jewish deaths in the past 111 years.

And yes...I share your concern for Christians...both Muslim and Jewish Christians. I do not, however, share your view that part of the hatred for the Jews is due to the Jew's treatment of them. They sided with the Hitler and Germany (and helped form the policy of extermination). They invaded Israel the day after Israel became a country and its been downhill from there.

I was relieved to hear that you completely support Israel's 100% ownership of their country in general and Jerusalem in particular.

God Bless, Sis

Anonymous said...

Hi Scott-still no msm reports but there is an update from dutch with some pretty good explanations. will try to cut n paste so here it goes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwRKxIoB7XE
very interesting. hmmm ally

Mrs. C said...

Hi Sister Kathy, :)
I have to respectfully disagree with some of your statements :) Please know that I respond in His Love, as we are to do.
“I think our faithfulness in praying for the peace of Jerusalem is best done remembering their need for salvation “.“He said Pray for the spiritual peace of Jerusalem. They do not know Him yet.”
Firstly, there are many, many Jewish Believers in Christ, so all “Jewish” people and not blind to our Lord Jesus. Secondly, we cannot add or detract from His Words, as you know, and the suggestion of substituting “spiritual peace” as part of Psalm 122:6, is in error.
"SHA-ALU SHALOM YIRUSHALAYIM"
"PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM"
The beginning word, 'SHA-ALU' means “To Ask”, that is, ask The Owner, Protector and Redeemer of The City of Jerusalem, that He would bring Shalom (Peace) to the Place, the People, and we know the only one who can bring them that true Peace, is The Prince of Peace , Our LORD Jesus Christ !

God our Heavenly Father chose Jerusalem (II Chronicles 6:6).
Jesus our Lord and Savior cried over Jerusalem (Luke 19:41).
His Holy Spirit confirmed His Word in Jerusalem (Acts 1:4 & Acts 2:1-5).

Why should we “Pray For the Peace of Jerusalem”, and what is the benefit of doing so?
First of all the full Verse of Psalm 122:6 is:
Vs.6.Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
We find that The LORD has promised, that we shall "prosper" that love thee (Jerusalem).
The Hebrew word for “Prosper” is SHALAV which means to be at rest .
Some misguided folks actually pray for the peace of Jerusalem, thinking that they will “Prosper” in areas other than being at “rest”, that is, financially, economically, materially, etc. .When their idea of “Prosper” doesn’t happen, they can become bitterly disappointed.
As we know that prosperity is '”to be at rest” and that to "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem" is in keeping with the command of GOD that we need to “ask” The LORD, that He would:
1) Bring Shalom (Peace) to the Place - Jerusalem, Israel.
2)That in turn brings Peace to the Jewish people in Jerusalem and throughout the world. As Paul says in Romans 10:1
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
(3) Bringing Shalom (Peace) to the Jewish People, can be brought to them only one way ,and that is through The Prince of Peace The LORD Jesus Christ. By Praying for His Peace in Jerusalem, her Jewish People, we are asking Our Lord to “come quickly” as in Revelation 22:20, and establish His Kingdom.
"Even so,Come, LORD JESUS"

Scott said...

ALLY

Thanks for that - taking a look now :)

Mrs. C said...

(Continued)
“They are a sinful nation too.”
Yes, they have “sin”, just as many “Christians” have “sins”, no different than this nation. However, the “sins” of Israel, are not for us to Judge, but for God Almighty to Judge.
“Some of their enemies are enemies because of torture or hoarding water or parading teenagers with uzis past revered older Arabs with haughtiness and strong sense of entitlement that they deserve Jerusalem.”
Wow, my goodness, such a statement  Do you have back up for these statements? Interesting that your statements are judgmental of the Israeli’s, but yet you say nothing of the barbaric acts of the “Arabs” against the Israeli people. There is no “sense of entitlement”, as far as Jerusalem is concerned. God gave it to His People, period. No question at all, its theirs.
In regards to the “Christians” behavior these days, that is exactly what the Lord said it would be. There are many who claim the name of Christ, but don’t know Him at all. Jesus told us of the condition of the Churches in Revelation, the church of the Laodiceans.
“Judgment starts with the household of God”
We are not under “Judgment”, we are under “Grace”.
“The Lord is going to judge Israel too not just the palestinians.”
Judgment is not coming for Israel, but bringing them repentance and the restoration of His Covenant with them is in their very near future. The so called “palestinians” and the other enemies of Israel, will be severely Judged by God.
“In fact many palestinians have a strong Christian belief.”
There very well could be “strong Christians” in the so called “Palestine”. There is no “Palestinians”, as there never was or is a land called “palesitne”. The name “palestine” comes from the Romans in 135AD, when they crushed the 2nd Jewish revolt against Rome. Did these same “strong Christians” vote for Hamas? Were they handing out candy to children and dancing in the streets when 911 happened? Are you aware that some Arab “Christians” (Orthodox) are not even allowed to read the OT? The question is, do these Arab “strong Christians” embrace the Jewish people? We need to Pray for ALL Christians around the World right now, as thousands of them die for their Faith. Like China, Somalia, Islamic nations. I guarantee you, these persecuted Believers in other nations, make our Faith in the U.S. look pathetic!

Mrs. C said...

(Continued)
“Yes I will pray and hope for the blindness that is on the Jews to be removed. For when they believe it means life from the dead for us too.”
As said before, there are many, many Jewish Believers in Jesus as their Messiah. Yes, we are to Pray for the Jewish people to know Jesus. In fact, we are Commanded by Him to present the Gospel to them first!
Romans 1:16
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Jesus Himself said to go to the Jewish people FIRST!
Matthew 10:5-6
5.These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
“ Theirs are the patriarchs, the Scriptures , the kings and prophets. And theirs is the son of David. But as long as the son of David has spread out His tentpegs to include those in the highways and byways, it behooves us to have little political opinion in this.”
Forgive me, but what? “David has spread out His tentpegs” etc. Please explain 
This has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with “politics” at all! This is about Gods Holy Word! His People, and His Land that He gave to them in a Covenant with them! and that has not changed  Soon He will restore His Covenant with His People.
Genesis 17:8
8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Our Lord Jesus was Jewish, and still is Jewish, that did not change. It is by His Grace, we were grafted into His Holy Family.:)
“We are citizens of the Jerusalem that is above and is coming”
Yes indeed, He is coming, and we will worship Him in Jerusalem here on Earth. Praise God! We are at the edge of time as we know it…the ending of the Church Age will be here before we know it! Thank You Father…Thank You Lord Jesus…Thank You Holy Spirit!

kathy Russell said...

Dear Mr. and Mrs C. ( right now I'm wishing that I had posted with code names too).

I do not think we are as far a part in this as you think.

I believe that the Jews are precious to the Lord and that they will be saved. ( Romans) I know that there are many believing Hebrew Christians and also many more to come. I believe that there are also many believing Arab Christians too.Our best friends in seminary have been missionaries in the middle east for 30 years. We have visited with Jewish friends in Israel and our friends in Jordan.
The stories on the ground are different in some ways from what we are hearing in far right American
discussions. This is Not the place

Mrs. C said...

Hi Sister Kathy, :)
Yes indeed, God Truly Blesses us with His Prophetic Word.
God has Judged these same, evil surrounding nations of Israel over time, but, there will be a final Judgment from Him. Understand, that it is the same recycled evil in these nations over the centuries. God had Ezekiel dedicate 8 Chapters to the coming Judgment of these nations. And they are as follows : Jordan, Gaza, Lebanon, Egypt. Ezekiel 25-32 If your referring to Lebanon, no it will not even be able to be found again according to Gods Word.
“I am trying to say that when we use Scripture to support our political viewpoints that it is dangerous too. “
Gods Word does not return void, now more than ever, we need to stand on His Word. People have been manipulating Gods Word for their own needs forever. That is why discernment from the Holy Spirit, and reading His Word for ourselves is so very important. What “political” viewpoints are you referring to?
“He loves the offspring of Ishmael too. I hate the groups that have perpetrated horror and kept their families in bondage to hatred.”
Forgive me, but you continually refer to the “Arab” people. God loves ALLl people. Gods Word tells us of Ishmael, has been a warrior from day one! Arab history until this day, is fraught with wars.
Genesis 16:12
12And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
God also Blessed Ishmael greatly!
Genesis 17
20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
A question, why, with the massive amount of Arab land, wealth, that God Blessed Ishmael and his descendents, why would they need little old Israel? Just compare the land mass that they have to Israel! These are all in Square Miles and these Arab brothers cant find any room for their mythological palestinian brothers? They kicked them out of Lebanon, then they kicked them out of Jordan. The answer to the question? Evil hatred that had existed from the beginning with Ishmael, towards Israel. In fact it goes back to the Garden of Eden.

Mrs. C said...

(Continued)
Israel 8019 SQ miles

Jordan 34,495
Moroco – 172,413
Mauritania – 397,837
Algeria – 919,595
Tunisia – 63,170
Libya – 67,8400
Egypt – 384,343
Sudan – 967,495
Somalia- 246,201
Djibouti – 8,958
Yemen – 203,850
Oman – 82,030
Uae – 32,278
Qatar – 4,416
Saudi Arabia – 756,985
Bahrain - 385
Kuwait 11,073
Jordan – 35,637
Iraq – 168,754
Syria – 71,498
“Israel has been in a fight since her rebirth and it was (I think and believe Scriptures teach), a holy gift to become Israel overnight. The dry bones coming together.”
Yes God restored Israel, as He said He would. But they were fighting off evil enemies surrounding them way before 1948.

Mrs. C said...

(Continued)
“ God is using her to make the Arabs jealous the way HE is using Christians to make Jews jealous. “
Forgive me, but what? God is not using Israel to make the “Arabs jealous”?
Jealous of what? God Blessed the Arab nations greatly! And yet for centuries they war against each other, and against Israel. For what? They have all the land and wealth. The only reason , is the hatred they have for Israel, period. And forgive me again, but God is “using Christians to make the Jewish people jealous”? Jealous of what? That is not how God works.
“We need to pray for believers in BOTH Israel and the Arab lands to be strong and faithful and true. And to pray for the unbelieving the gift of repentance and for eyes and ears to hear. “
We should be Praying constantly, for ALL people to come to know the Lord before its too late…

”I believe that the Lord will be angry with us if on the morning these is 17 , Psalm 83, Ez judgments comes to pass if we are cheering and saying See? we told you!”
God will not be “angry” with us, He gave us His Prophetic Word. I have cautioned folks on this point you make though. Yes, it is an amazing Witnessing tool for us, should the Lord tarry. But, as you say, it will have to be shared in a way that is of Him. We can expect persecution for such a Witness.

”He is in control but Hid heart is wanting repentance .
That's our message. We were living in selfishness and rebellion and He came. He came for us. So when we see others living that way we ought to be prayerful for them. “
Yes indeed Sister, we need a lot of Praying on our knees for others…

” I love Israel and I stand with her in this conflict but not because of her good acts. But because she is God's choice. “
Yes she is indeed Sister, she is Gods forever!
God Bless You!

kathy Russell said...

cont..
to speak specifics. One missionary who has spent 35 years in Lebanon, cyprus and Jordan has harrowing stories to tell from the war in Lebanon. He was in Beirut when the
Ariel Sharon debacle happened in the camps. Christian militia murdered many old and young civilians all night while Sharons forces blocked the gates so they couldn't get out. There are reasons for fear on both sides of this.When he was made Prime Minister and had a part in sparking the intifada there were many hardened even more.
My point is not that Israel is not in a terribly difficult position, my point was that their GREATEST need is Jesus. ONLY Jesus is our peace.
When I said lets' pray for their spiritual peace I did not mean that Peace in every sense did not matter. What I meant was the salvation of the Jews who will , by their believing be our very life from the dead. ( Romans)
When I said the Son of David had let us into their tent, I meant just that. We who were far off have been brought near.
The only lasting unity between Jew and Arab or Jew and Christian or Arab and Christian is Jesus Himself as our Lord and Saviour.
We are arguing and parsing words over very little .
I love Israel!I also love the believers in Jesus who are called palestinian and there are some.
There are Christians in Egypt who have and will have great opposition in coming times. Lebanon, Syria, Yes. Believers who are our family are in these places too and up against great opposition.
I'm sorry my musing aloud has led to such disagreement.

Scott said...

This is a very interesting and germane discussion and we should feel that we CAN discuss these things - especially in the manner in which this has been discussed.

We should have the freedom to come on here and put our thoughts down in writing and then have them discussed in a robust manner.

As I told my daughter's headmaster (school) - its mutual love and respect in Christ that ALLOWS this kind of robust discussion w/o fear because like any family - the family in Christ should have enough mutual love that we can be honest with each other w/o fear

The person who is the most honest with me (and yes, sometimes it does hurt a little, but honestly is worth it) - is my brother - also my best friend - and he and I can say almost anything to each other. Why? Because we have mutual assurance of love, which we know is never changing, and that frees us up to be completely honest with each other

It should be the same among Christian brothers and sisters. Its the underlying sense of deep love that ALLOWS us to have these serious discussions w/o fear BECAUSE it is grounded in love.

I hope that makes sense.

We shouldn't fear having these kinds of discussions - its both HEALTHY and NECESSARY. If we are appropriate and non-insulting etc. as this discussion has been.

kathy Russell said...

Thank you Scott.

Caver said...

Amen Scott!
Hugs all around.

Anonymous said...

the Truth is a hard thing to find nowadays. they will know us by the way we love one another! Its happening guys. we are coming together like the 1st century crew! oh yes! ally

Scott said...

As long as we don't communicate like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9-vdMjdZXw&feature=related

or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIVDx-8kWZo&feature=related

Mrs. C said...

The First Century crew! lol lol good one Ally...and very true too!