Wednesday, August 17, 2011

Big Crisis = Big Change. Soros Lurks Behind the Scenes

The EU is just on the cusp of undergoing big changes in response to the financial crisis of the Eurozone and the Euro. We're just on the brink of similar change in the U.S.

Are these events interrelated? Are these events intentionally created? If so, are they being created for the purpose of creating big changes?

Just take a look at today's articles and the reader can decide.

First, lets take a look at how Mr Soros operates, according to his own words (video link enclosed. This is a must see)

George Soros Video: Having Fun Subverting Nations

That isn't a typo. He actually said those very words:

George Soros, again from the voracious Mouth of Soros: this time “god“ describes how he has had “a lot of fun” subverting governments and “disrupting” regimes deemed by god’s Marxist mind, “repressive.” Shucks, inevitably, folks are hurt, he says. But, “unintended,” George? Reeealyy?

His work in his words is to develop a “matrix” of “national foundations” with the one hand, and with the other “certain… specialized… activities….” As Glenn Beck has more than begun to explain and Van Jones has alluded, for us Americans, this has to do with the czar network, executive orders, legislation, and UN commitments undermining American Sovereignty, to (allegedly) clean up (perceived) messes — including messes fomented by Soros’ own certain… specialized… subversive… disruptive… activities…

Do listen to this. Over and over again, if you need to. Catch his words in his identification of, depiction of, and intentions for the United States of America.

It is Alinskyism, it is Cloward-Piven. It is Marxist Revolution 101.


With that intro, I urge you to watch the video and see what Mr Soros has to say. It isn't even a secret anymore.

With that in mind, lets take a look at the EU and where it is headed, as it seems to be condensing into a "union within a union". Additionally, take a look at who is lurking behind the scenes:

Even closer union

Germany will only consider taking on the liabilities of other eurozone nations if it also gets effective control of their economies.

The financier George Soros has supplied a suitable apocalyptic text for today’s Paris summit on the eurozone crisis. He said that if the single currency were to collapse, it would trigger an uncontrollable banking crisis that could tip the global economy into a re-run of the Great Depression of the Thirties.

Mr Soros called for the eurozone to adopt a single fiscal policy that will allow the debt burden of the weaker economies to be shared by the stronger through the issuing of “eurobonds”, an idea that George Osborne has also said is worth examining.

In other words, Germany will only consider taking on the liabilities of other eurozone nations if it also gets effective control of their economies – not only in terms of monetary policy, as now, but taxation and spending too.

Mr Sarkozy and Mrs Merkel will have to set out a direction of travel towards greater financial coordination within the eurozone. Without that, it is hard to see how the currency union has a future.


In other words, the EU is moving rapidly towards even greater loss of national sovereignty due to the current "financial crisis".

France and Germany in 'Power Grab'

The two governments came under fire after calling for a “collective economic government” for the eurozone over the debt crisis.

The two leaders said they wanted twice-yearly meetings of the 17 heads of eurozone governments, chaired by Herman van Rompuy, president of the European Council. They also backed a tax on financial transactions.

But Ukip leader ­Nigel Farage hit out at the proposals. He said: “This is simply a monstrous constitutional power grab that will do nothing to solve the real economic crisis.

“Bit by bit, eurozone members are losing their sovereignty as the European superstate is created.

Nothing in these proposals will calm the markets. I am also prepared to bet that the European political elite will not ask the permission of their peoples via a referendum to make this happen.”


The article below takes on an even more ominous tone:

Rise of the Fourth Reich, how Germany is using the financial crisis to conquer Europe

Yesterday’s crisis meeting between Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy was arranged before the participants knew of the disastrous growth figures in the Eurozone that emerged in the morning.

...there was forceful talk of Eurozone countries being coerced into balancing their budgets and reducing their debt through what Merkel and Sarkozy called a ‘true European economic government movement’ made up of all the heads of state and led, initially, by the EU President Herman Van Rompuy.

Although she will not yet admit it, this all suggests the first step has been taken towards a fiscal union that will leave Germany dictating the financial terms for the rest of Europe.

That means a complete fiscal union in which Germany, as the EU’s most powerful economy and principal paymaster, makes the rules and makes them unbreakable.

Be in no doubt what fiscal union means: it is one economic policy, one taxation system, one social security system, one debt, one economy, one finance minister. And all of the above would be German

The alternative is the massive surrender of sovereignty to Germany by the rest of the Eurozone that would allow the economic policy of Greece, Ireland and Portugal to be made in Berlin.

That would reassure the markets, but it would also remove any pretence of democracy in those 16 countries: for once you have lost control of your economy, you have lost your sovereignty.


Below, we see a related article, and one paragraph stands out in bold print:

When a Civilization Goes Mad

The gradual but unrelenting insinuation of socialist and neo-Marxist doctrine into the liberal West, after it has been reliably shown to falter or collapse wherever it has been implemented, is still another index of severe mental disconnect and maladjustment to reality.

Command economies are proven to be inefficient, and the welfare state, predicated on the punitive taxation of a shrinking and increasingly insolvent productive base to subsidize ever-inflating entitlement programs, has been properly described as a gigantic Ponzi scheme.

Redistributionist and womb-to-tomb security states, as Margaret Thatcher famously said, will eventually run out of other people’s money. Nevertheless, this ideological will-o’-the-wisp continues to be diligently pursued.


And the above description reveals exactly why the world faces a financial crisis. Despite the facts above, the U.S. continues to rush headlong into the same failed ideas and policies, only the U.S. is doing so at light speed.

Are we on the verge of seeing an escalation of "Big Crisis = Big Change" in America?

Below we can see how Europe/UK style rioting is being planned for the U.S.

The questions become "why?" and "by whom"?

The first article below serves as a brief introduction:

Days Before Rage: Blogging the Global Insurrection Game

The Bound are running to and fro, collecting and analyzing intel on the fake-anarchist Marxist malcontents putting these events together. We are checking out not only the pawns, but the upper echelons of entrepreneurial neo-Marxists up the ladder, clear up to the wealthiest 1% (of 1%, of 1%, of 1%) trying to finish the job of destroying America. They brought us the “Arab Spring.” What is this supposed to be, the “American Fall?”


Now lets look at the details, the players and the basis of the coming riots:

Wall Street targeted for Britian-style riots

Just looking at the main players behind these coming riots should be quite revealing:

In the wake of Britain's riots, a group of American radicals are planning a "Day of Rage" targeting Wall Street and U.S. capitalism.

The upcoming protests, replete with a planned tent city in downtown Manhattan, is closely tied to the founders of ACORN and leaders of major U.S. unions, including the Service Employees International Union, or SEIU.

There are indications the protesters are training to incite violence, resist arrest and disrupt the legal system.

The protest aims to take root nationwide.

Planners have their own website – USDayofRage.org – which tells protesters to "bring your own tent."


The use of the term "Day of Rage" recalls the "Days of Rage" organized in the 1960s by the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization co-founded by Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, close associates for years of President Obama.

Numerous radicals, many with direct ties to Obama, are linked to planned protests and other activism scheduled for the coming months.

In March, ACORN founder Wade Rathke announced what he called "days of rage in ten cities around JP Morgan Chase." Rathke was president of an SEIU local in New Orleans.

The planned Sept. 17 protest seems to be the culmination of Rathke's efforts.


And this:

Those efforts are being organized by Stephen Lerner, an SEIU board member who reportedly visited the Obama White House at least four times.

Lerner is considered one of the most capable organizers of the radical left. He recently organized the SEIU's so-called Justice for Janitors campaign.

As part of his planned protests, Lerner called for "a week of civil disobedience, direct action all over the city."

His stated aim is to "destabilize the folks that are in power and start to rebuild a movement."


Also see these tidbits:

WND reported Heather Booth, director of a Saul Alinsky-style community organizing group, the MidwestAcademy, was among the main speakers at the "2011 State Battles Summit" in June at the Hyatt Regency Capitol Hill Hotel in Washington, D.C.

Booth's husband, Paul, also was a speaker at the union summit. Paul Booth co-founded Midwest Academy in the 1970s.

Obama himself once funded Midwest Academy. He has been closely tied to Heather Booth.

Booth has stated building a ''progressive majority'' would help for ''a fair distribution of wealth and power and opportunity."

Discover the Networks describes Midwest as "teach[ing] tactics of direct action, confrontation and intimidation."


The preception of "crisis" whether real or perceived usually leads to big changes.

We are watching the EU respond it its financial crisis - and the question becomes, "Are we watching the transition into the "10 kings" stage in the development of the revived Roman Empire, as described in Daniel 2 and 7?

And, the next question becomes, "Are we watching a 'big crisis' being created in the U.S. in order to undermine the global power-status of the U.S.?

Whatever happens next, we now know that these crises are not coincidence and they are not accidents. Whether seizing upon long-term problems that have been created by the welfare state - which have now been recognized as unsustainable - OR - whether these crises have been intentionally triggered (again, as described by Mr Soros) - the end result is the same: A world governance and a world economy is clearly in view.

All of this is 100% consistent with biblical prophecy.

We're watching the continual evolution of global events into the world that we know will exist during the Tribulation.


23 comments:

WVBORN56 said...

Perhaps today will be the day...keep looking up brothers and sisters! :)

Maranatha!

ally said...

I wish! How I wish! I have a feeling we will be here until at least sept. but I am ready now! Oh so ready!

Paula said...

You wouldn't believe the satanic attacks on my extended family the last few days, and I truly believe it's the devil's last hurrah before we go. Relationships are something he'll never understand.

Anonymous said...

Paula, I understand about the satanic attacks. The devil has my daughter in his grip and I am so worried she will not return before time is up. I claim the promise and pray hard. Will be praying for you and your family.
Linda

Paula said...

Thank you, Linda. Prayers for your daughter as well. We do have unbelievers in our family, but it's mostly the believers who are at each other's throats. And though the Trib will be awful, it might just be the shock that turns our lost loved ones to God.

Anonymous said...

And yet, there is still NO revealing of the AC...

so i keep waiting

ELLIOTT WAVE COUNTS SUGGEST
A CRASH DEAD AHEAD IN GOLD
AND SILVER AS WELL AS STOCKS
AND THE EURO....

PERHAPS AFTER THAT AC WILL
FINALLY GET REVEALED SO THE RAPTURE
CAN HIT, PER 2 THESS 2....

IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW BAD
THINGS GET, SCRIPTURE MUST
BE FOLLOWED, AND PAUL'S WORDS
ARE TRUE....HOPE IT WILL NOT
TAKE THAT LONG....

STEPHEN >>>>>>>>>>>

Paula said...

The Day of the Lord is not the Rapture.

Look for the Christ, not the Antichrist.

Lather, rinse, repeat...

Anonymous said...

PAULA, PLEASE REREAD THE PASSAGE
CAREFULLY..........

TALKING ABOUT THE GATHERING UP
OF THE CHURCH, NIV TEXT....which
is SCRIPTURE of course......

LATHER RINSE REPEAT....

STEPHEN >>>>>>>>>>>>>

DrNofog said...

STEPHEN!!!

LAST TIME!! [IN UPPER-CASE SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT!!]

I AM NOW ASKING SCOTT TO BUST YOU OFF HERE PERMANENTLY!!!

YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED REPEATEDLY WHY YOU HARP ON LOOKING FOR THE A/C 1ST INSTEAD OF CHRIST, AND HAVE NEVER, REPEAT, - NEVER!! - GIVEN YOUR OWN "PERSONAL UNDERSTANDING" --OTHER THAN TO --REPEATEDLY - AND BLANKLY -- STATE: "I WILL NOT GO AGAINST WHAT PAUL SAID"!

AND EVEN THEREIN AGAIN, YOU HAVE NEVER - EVER, GIVEN YOUR OWN "PERSONAL UNDERSTANDING" AS TO WHAT, WHY, OR HOW, YOU "INTERPRET" THE FULL CONTEXT OF WHAT PAUL ACTUALLY SAYS IN THESSALONIANS!!!

SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, WITHOUT ANY REASONABLE EXPLANATION IT'S NOT A MATTER OF THEOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES...

FURTHERMORE...

YOU HAVE ALSO BEEN ASKED REPEATEDLY WHY YOU HARP ON GETTING US TO DITCH ANY "SOLID" ASSETS, AND HAVE NEVER, REPEAT, - NEVER!! - ANSWERED ANY OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS PUT TO YOU, AND/OR GIVEN YOUR OWN... YOUR "ACTUAL" VERY OWN "PERSONAL UNDERSTANDING" OF THE "FEDERAL RESERVE", THE 'FRACTIONAL BANKING' SYSTEM, THE "INTERNATIONAL BANKSTER CARTEL", ETC., OTHER THAN AGAIN, SIDE-STEPPING ALL ISSUES, AND TRYING TO REFER US BACK TO YOUR "HOME BASE" FOR "THEIR" ANSWERS!!!

AND, AS YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION IT'S NOT A MATTER OF ANY POLITICAL-ECONOMICAL DIFFERENCES...

I am sorry, but something about my conspiratorial up-bringing says...

...IT'S SOMETHING ABOUT YOU...

I am truly prayerful for you that you will come into the Peace & Hope that is only found in Christ!

Expected Imminently said...

THERE you are DrNofog!

Actually it has been very interesting. Hubbies friend has sold a broken gold watch and some Kugerans sp? (loadsa money)Hubby asked did I want to sell the gold double Albert chain I had bought for him as the price of gold is so high. Money is tight, so I remembered Stephens words and emphatically said NO!

Theory. Are the governments trying to bring real gold back into their empty coffers buying it up with worthless bits of paper,by any means possible, including Elliot Wave devotees? Even when the price of gold drops, it will still be more valuable than paper money.

As a 'wordie' person with a poetic bent, I find Elliot Wave akin to 'I lie a lot so wave tara to yer £o££y - $ee?

Just to add that I am not in the least bit bothered about all this hooha. We either trust The Lord in all circumstances or we don't - full stop!

When those looking for the antichrist do find him, we won't be here for them to tell us! (According to Paul)

I'amen' your prayers for Stephen and I also agree this should be brought to an end as he is parroting the worldview and leaving God's view outside the camp. We are to 'build up' each other in THE Faith; not undermine our foundations willy-nilly with oft repeated dross.

Respect Scott :) Its your call, not ours!

Sue
x

gearedup2go said...

DrNoFog~you have made it abundantly clear regarding your thoughts on Stephen's approach to finances as well as his take on 2 Thes 2. There is no question about your feelings on the matter. With that said, may I share what's been on my heart?

Some of us come into this world wired a little differently. There is a struggle with shortcomings that are indicative of a fallen world.
For a select few, there are those who face mental challenges in which thoughts and consequent communication are repetitive, because there is comfort in structure and rumination. What may come across as an annoying behavior to many will be acceptable (and the norm) for a few. So it is with a gentle spirit that I humbly ask that you take into consideration the flaws we each present when we come together in this fellowship.

Paula said...

I concur with the above pleas for having STEPHEN either answer the questions or stop the chanting. That isn't conversation but advertising... aka trolling. (Does this qualify as "the testimony of two or three witnesses"?)

Re. gold and silver, precious metals never lose their purchasing power, regardless of what the baseless, worthless, Monopoly Money fiat currencies do. You simply cannot go wrong owning them. A couple silver dimes buys the same amount of gas/petrol today that they bought 75 years ago.

I have a fixed-rate mortgage. Theoretically, if there is hyperinflation, our income dollar amount will skyrocket but the amount owed on the mortgage will remain the same, and legally there's nothing the bank can do to change that, because it is specified that it must be repaid in a specific number of US Dollars. So any debt in a fixed amount is good to keep in the face of hyperinflation, but must be paid off before the dollar crashes completely. That's the risk.

And when it does crash, I have sorted all pocket change by melt value (see this site) and can trade them for their weight in the new currency.


But of course, I only do this because I don't know precisely when Jesus will return, and should plan for the long term while living like he's coming today. I stock up only on goods I'd normally keep around in case of power outage or sudden shortages at the stores. These goods would be left here for the desperate when we're Raptured, so it is never wasted.

Paula said...

Hey Geared,

I hear what you're saying. But at the same time, there are healthier venues for those who may be genuinely unable to carry on a normal conversation. Not all of us are "wired" to tolerate inappropriate behavior in public places on a daily basis, and a fair solution would be sensitive to both kinds of people-- but only after first establishing, instead of presuming, that the disruptive person is truly unable to control himself.

Caver said...

Yikes, please forgive if this is the second time you are reading this. Not sure how I did it but I stuck this in the wrong place initially....so here it is, repeated, under the right post.

Morning everybody! I've been kind of laying low lately due to schedule and a nagging feeling that something yet said was bubbling up from the depths of the neuron connectors of the gray matter.

I think it turned into a full blown bubble last night.

Soros.....George Soros....just the tip of the iceberg. For whatever reason, this guy is front and center, he's talking, he's the one we all identify and connect to these events as manipulating currencies, governments, and public opinion to fit his personal entertainment, wealth, goals, and beliefs. He's also first generation rich and power....not to mention super rich and super powerful. He needs to blow his own horn, grab some face time in the spotlight.....his ego demands it and he enjoys it.

But he's only the Johnny-Come-Lately to this group, the newbie that can afford to publically indulge his self.

What about the multitude of others that are at the end of a long line of money and power, the top 1% of 1% of 1%? Their ego doesn't need feeding but they are every bit, if not more, involved in manipulating events for their own twisted self centered beliefs and enrichment and power. Their ego is mature, they don't need the spotlight but are comfortable in their position staying back in the shadows but exerting as much or more control and power than Soros.

Darkness and evil seems to be emerging from untold directions and closets these days, as we were told it would. These guys and gals are part of the power and money elite with influence to control world direction and events in ways we can't imagine.....and I'm sure Soros is only the tip of the ice burg, the newbie face on the concept.

Sobering, ain't it.

Scott said...

Good points Caver, thanks for those thoughts. I agree. There are others also working behind the scenes. Why Soros has been so outspoken is a mystery to me.

As far as Stephen....

Gearedup - thanks for those kind words directed towards him, and that captures part of my thought process.

BUT - on the other hand, if he wants to reach people with whatever message he has - he needs to learn how to participate in a reasonable dialog and I can see the frustration growing by those who have attempted to engage in a serious discussion.

Stephen, if you are still reading this - I urge you to shift your approach - away from the all-caps mantra, and, rather, a more interactive approach with those who disagree or have other points of view.

I don't believe that you are effectively communicating your 'cause' and I am guessing that most folks just scroll past your comments these days.

Could you please alter your approach and begin engaging those people who have spent considerable time and effort in approaching you with their points?

And it might also help to turn off the all-caps ---> I do appreciate those who don't like tha 'shouting'.

I say this in an effort to help you communicate more effectively, and I do believe that Sue and DrNo, and Caver, among others have good points---> not only regarding the style etc., but also regarding the content.

God Bless

Caver said...

.....hoping we all approach the Lord and ask for wisdom, discernment, and sensitivity on our postings here...

there can be any number of untold and unknown events, conditions, limitations, and circumstances affecting ones POV, thoughts, and beliefs. With that said, we must also remember we represent but a few of over 1200 who come to this ministry daily for information, wisdom, thoughts, guidance, and insight.

Love each and every one of you guys.

gearedup2go said...

Scott, thank you for your sensitive approach to the conflict. This is YOUR blog after all and you have been quite accommodating~ even to those who may try your patience (including me!).

Paula, on days when we're tried, sometimes it just helps to avoid reading comments altogether IMO.

May we continue to strengthen our fellowship with the High Priest so that Satan will not have cause for divisiveness among our bretheren.

Mrs. C said...

Dear Brother Stephen...I simply say this Brother...
Ke Akua Hoomaikai Oe Stephen!
God Bless You Stephen! :) and know that He holds all of us, including you, ever so close to Him...we are all precious in His Sight...

Expected Imminently said...

Hello Paula
I wanted to amen your words. The Bible agrees with your assessment encouraging us to do just as you have said. Luke 19:11-2.
Vs.13 “…occupy until I come”.

Geared up2go.
We have all been given talents to a greater or lesser degree. The value isn’t what is important, rather what we faithfully do with what we have been given. For one to lose out at the Bema because we haven’t faithfully followed The Word to admonish an erring brother to bring him back into the ways of the Lord will be to our cost also.
Stephen is not our enemy; he is our brother, and it is by God’s Word that The Father disciplines those he loves. A soft word has its place, but excusing an error out of kindness is no sort of kindness when a rebuke is needed. 2Thess3:6-15. 1Thess.5:9-28. Romans 15:14. Titus1:10-16. Titus 2:11-15. Rev.3:19. Concordance check the word ‘rebuke’ and the ‘why’.

Unless I am mistaken, this is a fellowship of believers in God’s Word. Should we stop fellowshipping to oblige those who are out of step with The Lord? It isn’t being in a bad mood that has caused this, it has been a steady chipping away at our Blessed Hope that is being hindered. Soulish words do not edify, they depress and I for one don’t need any help in that department.

Stephen has already been cautioned by Scott on a few occasions and even now he has shown mercy. As a mother I had to learn not to step in when my sons needed a firmer hand by their father; it’s hard, I agree, but for their own sakes to become mature, responsible men they MUST be corrected and not excused.

It is as one of those who is ‘thrupence short of a shilling’ in the ‘wiring department’ that I write, and as one out of four people in the UK with a mental illness. Not something I like admitting, as many excellent Christian teachers that I respect are convinced people like me are frauds who don’t trust God’s Word. They are wrong!

I have HAD to learn to take God at His Word by applying it to my life on a daily, moment by moment basis by looking to Jesus and not circumstances or how I feel. It is when God’s Word becomes more real that any difficulty or disability; that we start the hard road to maturity for what Jesus has in store for us. Stephen must learn to do the same regardless of how he is wired.

Respectfully your sister in Christ
Sue

Mrs. C said...

Dear Sister Sue, :) Big Hug
I admire your great courage for sharing your very personal information on here. I can truthfully say, that for me, I literally am, as Ive been told, "cross-wired" with “innumerable brain lesions. I Praise God for the Blessings He bestows upon me, and us, every second of our lives. Even in my situation, that can never be reversed, at least not here on this Earth, I Praise Him. I am Blessed!

My Brothers and Sisters, what is a great hindrance here, and on the Internet in general, is that we truly do not know the situations people are in, nor who they truly are. There is no eye contact, no visual, no inflections in ones voice when speaking, and a lot can be misinterpreted, or misunderstood, as our natural senses are dulled by a keyboard and a screen.

Forgive me Brothers and Sisters, but I will not sit in Judgment of someone whom I have no idea of his circumstances, etc. We have no information what so ever, none. I am under a great conviction to even be discussing such matters of a Brother in such a public manner. I believe that there are other considerations here, that I will not speak of publicly, for the sake of our Brother.

There are many, many, Brothers and Sisters out there that are in error for any number of reasons. Some we can physically see, interact with, and some are just names we know on a screen. Yes, we are to correct those in error, in a manner of His Love. But there are other circumstances with some Brothers and Sisters, names on a screen for example, that we have no information, insight at all, about them.

Stephen’s views say nothing more, than others say .There are PHDs out there that say the same thing! Dr. Missler does not agree with all of Dr. Stanley’s views, but acknowledges theres legitimate room for Biblical disagreement in good Faith and scholarship.

We can agree to disagree with Stephen, as we would with the“PHDs”. There is a danger here, of crossing the line into legalism. If we are all strong in our Faith, our relationship with Him, it matters not what others say. God uses everything, for His Good. When folks are in error, the correct response provides an answer to those who are young in there Faith. In other words, God uses folks in error, to reveal the Truth to others.
Again, we are no one to Judge a situation that we have absolutely no information about at all…
God Bless You All!

gearedup2go said...

Sue, I appreciate your heartfelt testimony of your own personal struggle with mental health. It takes a lot of courage to share publicly the difficult walk that you have been chosen to partake in and it makes you uniquely qualified to reach people for Christ you encounter along your path.

There are those who have expressed a growing frustration with Stephen's consistent view about the AC. I understand their frustration. Several blog followers have gently broached the subject with biblical instruction and have attempted to redirect Stephen's thinking. In doing so, they have followed Paul's directive to correct and show a brother the error of his way.

The seed of wisdom has been planted. The Holy Spirit can reach Stephen in only the way that He can. As much as we want him to abandon his flawed thinking for that which is based on biblical principles as set forth in the Holy Word of God, the fact of the matter is that only Stephen can change Stephen with the help of His Redeemer.

In my aforementioned statement to DrNoFog, I wanted to validate what he was stating while emphasizing that there are those whose mental capacity may not allow for a consistent, logical thought pattern. In that regard, I am simply asking that we be patient with one another.

I have faith that Scott will use his discernment in redirecting the discussions here to keep the harmonious fellowship that we are blessed with.

Expected Imminently said...

Hello Gearedup2go

Yes, you are quite right, many have tried being Biblically longsuffering and patient with Stephen following Paul's directive, and I have been among them. It wasn't so long ago that I persueded Stephen not to leave the blog when he was angry with Scott over a simple mistake. This 'correction' had continued for some time before you joined us in writing here.

Scott has always managed to maintain good relations here even after attempts by others to deliberately disrupt it. There is no reason to suppose Scott will ever do anything differently!

I'm afraid I don't read Scripture as you have chosen to - after a period of time we have two options, to remove a disruptive person from the midst, or 'come apart' ourselves if that has failed. Ignoring this instruction results in 'weakening the walls' by the 'little foxes' that spoil the vine.

IF Stephen showed a modicum of remorse or repentance - it would be different; but mollycoddling him in his rebellion will increase the problem not solve it; and The Lord is hindered in his work to guide Him into mature fellowship.

I cannot agree with you on this from a Scriptural position, or, for that matter from a 'love' position. However it is as I originally said to Scott; it's his call not mine - anyone's. It is a shame that Stephen cannot/will not bend to his authority as he continues, even this morning of the 19th to flout his request with an extremely canny twist of words that keeps his status quo. His mind is in fine fettle judging by his comments, so even that is no excuse.

The spread skirts of sentimental women to shield from correction is a barrier to the formation of a mature believer. With those sentiments expressed it is very apparent that you and I shall have to agree to disagree on this subject.

In all matters Biblical, may The Lord bless you abundantly.
Sue

gearedup2go said...

Sue, I think you are reading too much into my response.

I am not saying his actions should be excused. I AM saying that there may be a physiological reason for his rumination of the AC and gold/silver. Many may be perplexed as to why he continues to present with this particular response. I am just submitting one suggestion which may apply.

Yes, it is helpful to point out the errors in his eschatology. Yes, he needs support and direction. Yes, if one continues to "cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine" he or she should be avoided as per Romans 16:17. I am not arguing with you there. And if Scott so deems his response to be a detriment to the witness of this blog, than it's his call and he can act accordingly.

I am going by what the KJV/NKJV has taught me for 40+ years. Last I checked it was the correct translation of the Bible. I may not have the gift of eloquence in my writing or in stating my position of said discussion, but I do have a clear reason for my position in the matter and will clarify it further if warranted.