Wednesday, March 7, 2012

In The News:

We're still getting commentaries on the meeting this week between President Obama and PM Netanyahu as more useful information leaks out:

Caroline Glick has the most detailed and comprehensive analysis if the current state of affairs between the U.S. and Israel:


From Israel's perspective, Iran's nuclear program will reportedly become unstoppable as soon as the Iranians move a sufficient quantity of enriched uranium and/or centrifuges to the Fordow nuclear installation by Qom. Since Israel reportedly lacks the ability to destroy the facility, Israel's timeline for attacking Iran will likely end within weeks. The US reportedly has the capacity to successfully bomb Fordow and so its timeline for attacking Iran is longer than Israel's.

The reason this is important is because it tells us the true nature of Obama's demand that Israel give more time for sanctions and diplomacy to work. When one recognizes Israel's short timeline for attacking, one realizes that when Obama demands that Israel give several more months for sanctions to work, what he is actually demanding is for Israel to place its survival in his hands. Again, once Iran's nuclear project is immune from an Israeli strike Obama will effectively hold the key to Israel's survival. Israel will be completely at his mercy.

The bolded statement above is the key to this whole issue. Once Iran moves their capabilities deep underground, Israel loses their ability to attack such facilities. The U.S. would still have the capability, so any delays beyond a few more months places Israel's security completely into U.S. hands. That would be a very dangerous position for Israel.

Additionally, lets ignore the rhetoric and look at the facts:

Aside from these rather uncooperative comments, under Obama the US has adopted policies and taken actions that have endangered Israel militarily on all fronts and in fundamental ways. With Obama at the helm the US not only stood back and allowed Hezbollah and Iran to take over Lebanon. The US has continued to supply the Hezbollah-controlled Lebanese military with sophisticated US arms.

Under Obama, the US intervened in Egypt's internal politics to empower the Muslim Brotherhood and overthrow Hosni Mubarak. The transformation of Israel's border with Egypt from a peaceful border to a hostile one is the direct consequence of the US-supported overthrow of Mubarak and the US-supported rise of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafists. These are indisputable facts. Their military repercussions are enormous and entirely negative.

By failing to act against Assad, the Obama administration is effectively acting as the guardian of Iran's most important regional ally. That is, far from enhancing Israel's military posture, Obama's behavior towards Syria is enhancing Iran's military posture. He is acting in a manner one would expect Iran's ally to behave, not in the manner that one would expect Israel's ally to behave.

Beyond Israel's immediate borders, and beyond Iran, Obama's behavior towards Turkey has had a destructive impact on Israel's military position and strategic posture. Obama has said that Turkey's Islamist, anti-Semitic Prime Minister Recip Erdogan is one of the five foreign leaders he is closest to. He reportedly speaks to Erdogan at least once a week. The Turkish leader is the Middle Eastern leader that Obama trusts the most.


The bottom line?


The fact is that Obama's actions and his words have made clear that Israel cannot trust him, not on Iran and not on anything. The only thing that has been consistent about his Israel policy has been its hostility. As a consequence, the only messages emanating from his administration we can trust are those telling us that if Obama is reelected, he will no longer feel constrained to hide his hatred for Israel.

What these messages make clear is that if our leaders are too weak to stand up to Obama today, we will pay a steep price for their cowardice if he wins the elections in November.



Senior Democratic Sen. Carl Levin says he thinks an Israeli attack on Iran is likely if Tehran doesn’t follow international demands to stop uranium enrichment and allow inspections of its nuclear program.

Levin, who chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee, made his remarks to reporters Tuesday after meeting privately with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

The Michigan Democrat said Tehran was violating a half-dozen U.N. resolutions. He said that as long as Iran refuses to open up its uranium enrichment facilities to U.N. inspections and refuses to stop the nuclear processing, “then I would say an attack on them by Israel is very likely.”



As mentioned before, the quote below may be the single most important aspect of the recent meetings:


What a lot of people are going to miss is not that Israel now thinks Obama is reliable — it doesn’t — but that Israeli leaders know he has now locked publicly into a major commitment. If Israel ever were to attack an Iran on the verge of getting nuclear weapons, how is Obama going to bash Israel for doing so after telling it to do so? In effect, then, Israel has traded patience for freedom of action.

What is important is that Obama’s speech provides a green light for an Israeli attack.

The question is only one of timing. Obama asks Israel to wait in order to give sanctions a chance to work. But we know that sanctions are almost certain not to work, since work is defined as Iran giving up its drive for nuclear weapons. And there is no reason to believe that this will happen.

We are now on the road to war. That’s what is important, not whether Obama gained votes or whether he is sincere or at precisely what second U.S. policymakers decide Iran has met the conditions for getting bombed.


A 3.7 magnitude earthquake was felt in northern Israel on Wednesday morning. The Geological Survey of Israel told Ynet that the quake's epicenter was in south Lebanon and that it was primarily felt north of Metula. Israelis reported feeling the quake in Kiryat Shmona, Shlomi and Safed as well. No injuries or damage were reported.




26 comments:

Nathan said...

I'm going to take a 180 degree different view on this situation from a non-religious viewpoint .

Legal Disclaimer: I don't like Obama and am not voting for him :)And i love Israel and want us to protect them at all cost .

That being said first off ? How do we pay for this War (if it were to come to that?) America has nearly 16 trillion in debt and is adding an addition 1.3 Trillion a year in Deficit (excluding)interest . Our major ally in Europe is facing "the debt crises of their lifetime" meaning they can't afford war either . China (Our banker) is not going to loan us money to do so because they are sided with Iran ? Africa? South America? War bonds ? War bonds only further the debt problem when when the loans mature and the government has to pay this back ?

Number two: If we attack Iran , Russia has already said that an attack on Tehran is an attack on Moscow ? China has already said pretty much the same thing . So on with Syria , Venezuela . We definently can't afford a regional war let alone a World Conflict .

Number three : An Israel strike would be bad for the world economy ,a regional war would be terrible for it , and a World War would be devastating (especially for the financially weakened west)

Number four : What if Iran doesn't have the bomb (which most reports say they don't, yet we all know they want it , its obvious ) Are we okay with destroying our economy and lively hoods and thousands to millions of death (billions if the war on the Euphrates happens)for something that could be eliminated through funding parties such as the Green Movement or More Stuxnets viruses.

and finally number five : If this is Gog magog or Isiah 17 , or the 6th Trumpet War ,It was going to happen anyway ? And its all going to play out because thats what God gave us the prophecies for).....But if it isn't we could be responsible for starting a major conflict with catostrophic consequences .

As much as we Don't like Obama he is under incredible presure right now with this situation .I think we should pray for him to make the right decisions ?

Elizabeth said...

Caroline Glick is articulate and discerning.
Wouldn't she make a great watchman on the wall.
We must pray for her salvation.
Elizabeth

Anonymous said...

And yet, BULLS are back...

Just like I said last nite, we
still need to go UP one more time.
I think we are looking at a WEEK of
rally here, maybe more.

It would be good IF bulls were to
get really greedy quickly, that
way stocks will break above 13,000
by the end of the week.

EWI requires at this POINT ONE MORE
PUSH above 13,000......a 5th wave
up of C of Y......

even if it takes into next week.

SORRY I jumped to open my mouth
too soon 24 hours ago.

However, what I said STILL STANDS.

There will no DOUBT BE big NEGATIVE
divergences at the next top.

and one would think that the next
DROP will be HUGE.....

a full 3 down.

Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>

Mrs.C said...

Brother Nathan,
Forgive me, but as you stated this is a “non-religious view”, lets begin then by eliminating “number five” from your statement. BTW, this has nothing to do with “religion”, and everything to do with the fulfillment of Gods Word in these Last Days. There is no view, other than to see clearly the world events culminating EXACTLY as Gods Word said that is would.

Number One- Not a concern – the reality is again, the most important point and that is Gods Word says that the U.S. nor anyone else for that matter, will help Israel in the up coming war. It has been evident for decades that the U.S. will fall from being a “super power” as it is written in His Word the “U.S” is no where. A lot of “Christians” are going to be in shock, when things fall apart. They are more concerned with their vacations, than our Bride Groom coming for us. The true test is coming, the sifting ,what is more important, money or the fact that we are at the MOST MOMENTOUS MOMENT IN ALL OF TIME! Should the Lord tarry a little bit longer, this is why many Brothers and Sisters have been preparing for an economic collapse etc for quite awhile now. That is the best we can do, and most important of all, Trust in Him!

Number Two – Again, not going to happen.

Number Three – What? Forgive me, but are you serious!? An Israeli attack would be bad for the “world economy”? The “world economy” will be the very least of ANYONES concerns if Iran has nuclear weapons. Forgive me, but are you saying Israel, and for that matter other ME nations, should allow terrorists to have nukes, distribute nukes, so that we in the “West” wont have high gas prices at the pump? Please tell me that is not what you are saying Brother. A “regional conflict”, is exactly what Gods Word tells us is coming, and it appears to be very soon.

Number Four – Forgive me, but I can hardly even reply to your comments. Forgive me, but these “reports” you are reading are all done by VERY QUESTIONABLE THINK TANKS! There are FACTS out there Brother, that perhaps you should look into to give you an accurate picture of Iran and their nukes. Most likely, they probably already have nukes. You don’t just make one, and then announce itm you stock pile. Iran has been working on this for DECADES. They funded Pakistan’s development of nukes for example, and what do you think they got in return. They also were funding the secret nuke plants in Syria, along with the assistance of NK. Iran is going down, one way or another, whether it be a military strike alone or combined with assistance from within Iran, or a giant earthquake for that matter, they are going down.

Number Five- Yes, its going to happen, and when it does, it will happen very quickly. Isaiah 17, quickly followed by Ezekiel 38. Again according to His Word which is the only thing that matters, the U.S. is no where in Bible Prophecy. Gods Word is very clear, Israel has no one to help them, no one in the up coming wars. As God has written it, so it will be.

The treasonous coward in chief, is under NO pressure right now, other than, as a true narcissist, concerned about his re-election, that’s it! The WH occupier is a treacherous blatant enemy of the nation of Israel and its people. Without question he hates Israel. This evil man is fulfilling EXACLTY what Gods Word said would happen…Israel is alone and they know it…

Mrs.C said...

Brother Nathan,
Forgive me, but as you stated this is a “non-religious view”, lets begin then by eliminating “number five” from your statement. BTW, this has nothing to do with “religion”, and everything to do with the fulfillment of Gods Word in these Last Days. There is no view, other than to see clearly the world events culminating EXACTLY as Gods Word said that is would.

Number One- Not a concern – the reality is again, the most important point and that is Gods Word says that the U.S. nor anyone else for that matter, will help Israel in the up coming war. It has been evident for decades that the U.S. will fall from being a “super power” as it is written in His Word the “U.S” is no where. A lot of “Christians” are going to be in shock, when things fall apart. They are more concerned with their vacations, than our Bride Groom coming for us. The true test is coming, the sifting ,what is more important, money or the fact that we are at the MOST MOMENTOUS MOMENT IN ALL OF TIME! Should the Lord tarry a little bit longer, this is why many Brothers and Sisters have been preparing for an economic collapse etc for quite awhile now. That is the best we can do, and most important of all, Trust in Him!

Number Two – Again, not going to happen.

Number Three – What? Forgive me, but are you serious!? An Israeli attack would be bad for the “world economy”? The “world economy” will be the very least of ANYONES concerns if Iran has nuclear weapons. Forgive me, but are you saying Israel, and for that matter other ME nations, should allow terrorists to have nukes, distribute nukes, so that we in the “West” wont have high gas prices at the pump? Please tell me that is not what you are saying Brother. A “regional conflict”, is exactly what Gods Word tells us is coming, and it appears to be very soon.

Number Four – Forgive me, but I can hardly even reply to your comments. Forgive me, but these “reports” you are reading are all done by VERY QUESTIONABLE THINK TANKS! There are FACTS out there Brother, that perhaps you should look into to give you an accurate picture of Iran and their nukes. Most likely, they probably already have nukes. You don’t just make one, and then announce itm you stock pile. Iran has been working on this for DECADES. They funded Pakistan’s development of nukes for example, and what do you think they got in return. They also were funding the secret nuke plants in Syria, along with the assistance of NK. Iran is going down, one way or another, whether it be a military strike alone or combined with assistance from within Iran, or a giant earthquake for that matter, they are going down.

Number Five- Yes, its going to happen, and when it does, it will happen very quickly. Isaiah 17, quickly followed by Ezekiel 38. Again according to His Word which is the only thing that matters, the U.S. is no where in Bible Prophecy. Gods Word is very clear, Israel has no one to help them, no one in the up coming wars. As God has written it, so it will be.

The treasonous coward in chief, is under NO pressure right now, other than, as a true narcissist, concerned about his re-election, that’s it! The WH occupier is a treacherous blatant enemy of the nation of Israel and its people. Without question he hates Israel. This evil man is fulfilling EXACLTY what Gods Word said would happen…Israel is alone and they know it…

Anonymous said...

I wanted to do a quick update on my wife. She's out of icu as of 8pm last night. No pain, she looks good, but the doctors are just trying to figure everything out and the best course to take in her particular situation. Looks like her heart has weakened on one side and strengthened on the other side thus bigger on the right and smaller on the left side of the heart and being a carrier of md has probably taken its toll over the years. She's is in good hands with a team of many different specialists and doctors. She had pulmonary, heart, and neurologists specialists along with all kinds of interns checking her out today. So thanks so much for everyone's prayers. Hopefully it won't be too long before she goes home soon. Thanks again. -Jec

Anonymous said...

“Walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.” – Galatians 5:16

Nathan said...

Mrs C , WOWZERS with an emphasis on WOWZERS ! I did not mean to set off a fireball with you . Maybe i worded things wrong . What i was trying to do is point out the situation that our President is in right now from a non-believers eyes(I KNOW HE IS NOT A RELIGIOUS MAN ) ..He's not going to be looking at this through a Godly lens . However i do stand by scripture that says every person of Authority was put here by God (Good or Evil) and that we should respect and obey the Lords plan and the authority granted to them (In the end it will all be predetermined anyway ) . I'm with ya here not against you and LOVE your passion for Israel .

One of my favorite people Hal Lindsay got Prophecy wrong years ago . He believed that the Bible stated a generation was 40 years . We all know that "the generation that sees the Fig Tree blossom will be the last" ...He misinterpreted scripture and in 1988 40 years after the rebirth of Israel started writing books and preaching to people 1988 would be the end of days ....I'm just saying Prophecy is certainly not a science , if we're off on our beliefs what i mentioned earlier about Possible World War scenerios and the destruction of country could be a reality and unnecessary . (Oh and trust me , higher gas prices are not as important as the existance of Israel to me )


If Obama was to just rush into War we could be starting something you and i have never been apart of ...People get slaughtered during wars , crippled , emotionally destroyed , lives changed forever while we type our feelings on computers the person you read about for five minutes then turn the page can never walk again or is dead .

Anonymous said...

And yet, STOCKS are UP again tonite.

BULLS never die do they ????

Current indications AS STATED before
are that stocks WILL MAKE another
new high. Let's hope that it does NOT
turn into more then that, cause if so
that rapture MAY BE a long ways from now.

As I have said earlier, how do you
DEFINE the word SOON ?? 1 week,
1 year, 17 days , 17 years ????

That is what worries me.

I have heard many PEOPLE on line
ALL OVER the 'net talk about the rapture coming "soon" AND YET
times has moved on, stocks are now
UP for the last THREE YEARS as of
06 MAR 2012.....

My point ??

I really don't listen anymore to
all this "soon" talk since there
is NO evidence to back it up.

What I look at is wave counts, and
i think you guys all know that.

When HE comes He comes....

but not yet !!!!

Until I see HARD evidence that this
market is ready for a SERIOUS DROP,
the word "soon" will not mean much.

Sorry I feel that way, But reality
is reality....

Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Caver said...

Great news Jec. Thank you!

Thank You Father!

Scott said...

Just for the record ('cause I'm a stickler on this one) - Hal Lindsey actually didn't say that (although he is commonly misquoted regarding this statement). In LGPE, he was speculating on what a generation could mean, and he threw out one possible example. Regardless, I see the point you are making - war with Iran will indeed trigger massive warfare, including the entry point (IMO) into the Isaiah 17 scenario and followed closely by Ezek 38-39.

Alice said...

Scott, isn't Hank Hanegraaff one of the people who loves to say that Hal said that? I knew better when I heard Hank say that, but it's sad for the folks who believe Hank... and sad that Hank continues to put that out there...

Mrs.C said...

Brother Nathan,
Forgive me Brother, but its much more than a “passion” for Israel, it is loving purely Gods First Born, and His Land that He gave to them. Through them, He sent His Son, for all. How can someone not love them, they are our Elder Brothers and Sisters! Jesus didn’t lay down His Life, Ascend to Heaven and become a “Christian”. He is Jewish, and will remain Jewish for Eternity.
First Brother, truthfully, we are not even sure the coward in chief is even legally President. Forgive me, but you appear to be confused. There are many “but’s” or “however’s” in your conversations. NO WHERE does Gods Word tell us to “obey” evil men! I will share with you, an article that Joseph Farah wrote regarding this, in 2009.

"Pray Obama Fails"
Joseph Farah
Posted: January 19, 2009

Many American Christians believe, as an article of faith, that we are to pray for the success of our leaders.
It has become a sort of conventional wisdom among soft-minded believers. The biblical proof-text for this misguided way of thinking is Romans 13:1-4:
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
"Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
"For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
"For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."
What could be more clear-cut? At face value, it would seem the Bible is telling us government is a God-ordained good and that we are not to resist its terrors.
Many a coward has been bolstered in his conviction against challenging tyranny by not reading too deeply into the Scriptures. Yet, nowhere does the Bible ever suggest evil rulers are to be obeyed. When the rule of men conflicts with the commands of God, the Bible leaves no doubt about where we should stand.
That's why I do not hesitate today in calling on godly Americans to pray that Barack Hussein Obama fails in his efforts to change our country from one anchored on self-governance and constitutional republicanism to one based on the raw and unlimited power of the central state.
It would be folly to pray for his success in such an evil campaign.
I want Obama to fail because his agenda is 100 percent at odds with God's. Pretending it is not simply makes a mockery of God's straightforward Commandments.
So you will not see me joining in the ritual of affirming Obama and his mission in public or private prayer this week – or any other week.
Instead, I uphold the words of Jesus in Matthew 15:14: "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." And I take warning from Isaiah 9:16: "For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed."
And please don't tell me about "rendering unto Caesar."
It's important to consider the circumstances and the audience behind Jesus' instructions to "render unto Caesar." The Sadducees were attempting to trap Jesus into advocating open contempt for Caesar. He recognized their wicked and hypocritical little game and answered them with a totally truthful response that astonished everyone.
But think about it. There are two components to Jesus' words. We are to "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's," but we are also to "render unto God the things that are God's." Well, everything ultimately belongs to God. But, most of all, this injunction by Jesus instructs us that government laws cannot trump God's laws – ever."

Mrs.C said...

(Continued)

If government commands you to do evil, as a Christian you must resist. There is no alternative. Citing the "render unto Caesar" line is an apologetic for accountability to God – nothing more, nothing less.
Furthermore, it needs to be pointed out that in America we don't have a Caesar. Never have, never will. You see, our system of government is called a free republic, and it is based on the concept of constitutional self-government. We have no "rulers" in America – except ourselves and our God. We believe in the rule of law, not the rule of men.
This is an important distinction, not a semantic one.
Nowhere in the Bible does it teach us to obey evil rulers. Nowhere.
This is a time for principled biblical resistance, not phony Christian appeasement."

http://www.wnd.com/2009/01/86469/

Forgive me Brother Nathan, but you are in great error, as Scott pointed out. You are repeating “rumor” and untruth regarding, a false witness against Brother Hal. NO WHERE did Hal Lindsey set a date, no where, nor would he! Forgive me, but I speak from fact, not rumor. I say this with all humbleness, but it was Brother Hal that personally led me to the Lord, and I attended his church. This all occurred during this period of time that this rumor, untruth began, almost 25 years ago. The Holy Spirit is amazing, as I had just mentioned to my Dear Husband this morning, remembering sitting in front of Brother Hal all those years ago, and hearing him say how much he loved this nation. He continued to painfully explain to we in the congregation during his service (which actually were more like 2 hour Bible studies ), that the U.S. in the future, will no longer be a “super power”. How this would happen, none of us new at the time, but could only surmised how the downfall would happen. Not once, EVER did Brother Hal set a date, EVER! In fact, his most important purpose was to lead the lost to Christ. Brother Hal ALWAYS gave Alter calls, ALWAYS. I remember, being a brand new Believer myself at the time, Brother Hal stopping in the middle of his teaching, and looking at the congregation with tears in his eyes. With his voice choking up, he shared VERY HUMBLY, the pure joy he felt at someday being in Heaven and meeting those he had never met, that had come to accept Jesus as their Savior. That, and only that is what is important to Brother Hal.
Prophecy is indeed not a “science”, never has been, and to attempt to apply logic is folly. It is through His Holy Spirit that we understand Prophecy. He shows us clearly what is to come. Forgive me, but His Word is clear, there is no “World War 3”, not until the end of the Trib.
As for the coward in chief “leading us into war”, and your extended obvious pacifist statements, it is not going to happen. Forgive me, but war is ugly, and always has been. Massive death and destruction is coming for sure, as Gods Word says it is. As for the U.S., it will no longer be a “super power” and the coward in chief is seeing to that both domestically and internationally. Gods Word is clear, the U.S. is not a player at all in these final wars, and that Brother, we are now clearly seeing why…

God Bless

GG said...

Hi Jec~

That is great news. Just know we will be praying for her from here daily. May it all reduce in swelling and inflammation as well as flare-ups so she can return home to you :)

Nathan-I see you seem to have come quite a ways in your learning since you first posted. That is good. The key is not the 180 degrees in the opposite direction but redirecting your position back to see things through the lens of Jesus and not the world. One can chase the world all day long and where does that road lead to? Confusion. The Lord doesn't give us the spirit of confusion, which I am sure you know :)
Hope that helps.

God Bless!!

GG

Waterer said...

Brother Nathan,

Thank you for your comments that show your questions and grace in the face of barely sheathed ridicule. Brother Hal did define a generation as 40 years. He did not say, ()that I heard.. a set year.
But many were confused by the 40 year thing probably like people thought that the Apostle John would never die..JOhn 12.
I did not hear in your comments any derision against Lindsey. Perhaps a lingering doubt about what he meant by the 40 years..
As to praying for leaders who are in position to bring about wars, I think I agree with you. I do not agree with Mrs.C. that this is cowardly or appeasing.
As Netanyahu said in his speech ( very fine) the thing not being talked about is what is at risk if we DO NOt STOP Iran. It is far more harmful and destructive. This leads me to praying that the hearts of kings ( leaders)who are in the Lord's hands ( as they ALL are, due to HIS sovereignty)would be moved according to what is needed for HIS kingdom. We do not pray for the success of those not honoring God and His people but we pray for God's mercy and for freedom that the Gospel can still spread. Daniel 2 came to my mind in reading this discussion. Nebud..
was a fierce king who destroyed Solomons temple and came against Zechariahs revolt and hauled many Jews to Babylon. Yet when he dreams Daniel seeks to save condemned, godless men by asking for the dreams interpretation. When the Lord gives it to him he speaks it repectfully to this awful king. He acts and speaks with respect. He reveres ONLY the LORD. but honors even the despot who killed His People.
I don't think questioning how this will play out is wrong or unspiritual as long as we seek the Glory of the Lord.

waterer said...

Oops. SHould have said Zedekiah's revolt. Sorry.

Alice said...

Waterer, beautifully said! I love the Daniel analogy!

GG said...

Hi Everyone~

I have to say living in a fallen world can easily allow anyone to search for so many different types of answers to these ongoing and daily pending events. The one thing that I am seeing in these posts that comes to mind that we must ask ourselves is what is the role of an Ambassador for God? This is such a high calling, especially in today's muddled world. Are we asking ourselves daily are we doing the will of God? Are we searching what God says about these things or what the world says about these things in daily in mere speculation?

I did some searching online and I am going to post a couple of sites I looked at. One speaks of doing our work as Gods Ambassadors and the other speaks of the cost of being a disciple for Christ. It is not just about us but our commitment to Christ to follow in his word and stay the course daily. I am not saying it's easy and not human nature to want to know otherwise. I do believe we have these scriptures in place to stop our hearts and minds from wondering to people, places and things that do not serve Gods greater purpose.

The other side of this is do we want to lead newbie's,the non-saved or even ourselves into daily topics that can pull them further away from what God has to say in these last days? I think that is a critical factor if we are doing all this for one purpose and that is fulfilling the will of God. I say this only with a humble spirit and love. Each person knows their hearts but as brothers and sisters in Christ we are supposed to not lead each other into further temptation of the worlds thinking but guide each other back toward what God says about these things we come up against daily.

Nathan-I have to say, I am a bit confused. When you started posting you stated you did not know of these things you speak of with regard to Isaiah 17 and Ezek. times. Not to say you haven't been studying, I think the growth is great. If your mind knows of these things, the desire to play devils advocate should not be there. I do have to question the timing of some of these other posts (not just yours) lately that seem to ring of the same discussions to pull others away from the Lord instead of toward what his word says on these things. Things that may cause division instead of unity.

Honestly, I still believe there is impostering going on here on many levels. One can see it. It's not that easily hidden XXXX as hard as you try. I just keep praying the Lord has his hands all over this blog and your lives because of it. I feel we all have gone through so much over the last few months here. We have been reduced on Moderation for such behaviors. I would like to think that we are moving forward and not backward in this area of our walk with the Lord in these last days. That aggravation in itself can have us on heightened awareness when moving away from Gods word.

Above all, I don't want to see this time used to re-hash old issues because some may be un-resolved. So, I guess as a sister to all, I ask if you would take a look at these links and see what the Lord says to you. The old saying is garbage in, garbage out. Let's see what he says about these wonderful appointments of Ambassadorships and how we should be acting accordingly. Maybe that will better explain why our President may not be operating in the will of the Lord. His citizenship literally may be elsewhere. We just don't know. I will pray for him to be doing the will of the Lord. I will not condone what he is doing outside that will of our precious Savior. Jesus died for a reason and it wasn't for further destruction without Gods purpose at the helm of things, not man.

I care about you all.

God Bless!!
GG

GG said...

2 Corinthians 5:14-21
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; 15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.
16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.


http://sumnerwemp.com/witnessing/ambassadors_of_god.htm

1 John 2:4-6
“If someone claims, “I know him well!” but doesn’t keep his commandments, he’s obviously a liar. His life doesn’t match his words. But the one who keeps God’s word is the person in whom we see God’s mature love. This is the only way to be sure we’re in God. Anyone who claims to be intimate with God ought to live the same kind of life Jesus lived.” (The Message) - Please scroll down to the very bottom for more on this.

1 Corinthians 11:1
“And you should imitate me, just as I imitate Christ.” (NLT)

Ephesians 6:20
“I am in chains now, still preaching this message as God’s ambassador. So pray that I will keep on speaking boldly for him, as I should.” (NLT)

1 Corinthians 10:31
“So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. ” (NIV)

Proverbs 13:17
“A wicked messenger falls into trouble, But a faithful ambassador brings health. ” (NKJV)

http://www.jollynotes.com/inspirational-verses/ambassador-verses/

Mrs.C said...

Sister Waterer,
Forgive me, as has happened before with misquoting myself and others, you are attributing words to me that I did not say. Please re-read carefully, and see that it was Joseph Farah who made the statements of “cowardly or appeasing” in his article.
We are at the very edge of all time. Gods Plan for these days is at the final stage of completion. Praying for “leaders”, evil ones at that, will not change their “hearts”, and to do so, is Praying against Gods Will and Purpose for these final Last Days. Example, all the Praying in the world, could not have changed Pharaohs heart as it was sealed in hatred, hardened, according to Gods Will and Plan. Who are we to even suggest that we could change Gods Plan. It is arrogance that would allow one to believe any act that we perform, could change His Plan. Just as the evil is rising up and hardened in the hearts of those in Gaza, Egypt etc. and for that matter, our own WH occupier, it is the Will of God to bring them to the surface before He wipes them clean away.
Again please restrain from making incorrect implications. No one is saying curiosity of how Prophecy is to be fulfilled, is “un-Scriptural”, that was not said at all. What is “un-Scriptural” is to study Prophecy from a secular perspective, and tinged with fear. If we study His Word, and with the Guidance of His Holy Spirit, we know what is to happen. The comments that were previously posted by another, are not unfamiliar, they’ve been under different names, it is the same pattern, the same bait…meant for strife and to distract from God's Purpose of sharing and studying His Prophetic Word here…and several here know who they are…but more importantly God knows who they are :)

Caver said...

Hi Waterer....

Wow! You done and got me confused here. You said "...
barely sheathed ridicule...".I didn't see that at all, would you elaborate please.

Hi Nathan,

Wow! Again. I can only parrot what GG said above...from someone who just such a short while ago professed ignorance of these scriptures, you have indeed come a long way fast.

Without delving into your initial question on a point by point basis I'm going to sum it up....I don't care if its secular, Hindu, snake language, new age, or Voodoo....nobody on the face of this earth can argue that for the sake of a dollar bill, debt, aggravation, or inconvenience is it worth sacrificing or extermination an entire nation of human beings....especially when they are the most persecuted people ever to walk this earth...and double especially when they are THE Apple of God's eye.

Now...as for the death and suffering...good point. Now, my question to you is this....if the death and suffering must occur, should it be to the people trying to live in peace or to those trying to inflict the maiming and killing on them out of blind hate?

As for your thoughts being removed from the reality of the situation in real life....Not so. Yes, sitting behind the keyboard or turning a page in the book is valid....but that's all we can do. And we are told to look, be a watchman. But no, its not all that removed....some of us have been there, on the front...seen the blood and gore....experienced the fear. Nobody hates war more than us.

Mrs.C said...

Excellent post Dear Sister GG...excellent post...we're nearing the finish line of this race! Glory be to God Forever!
God Bless You!

waterer said...

Hey Caver, I honestly thought that Nathan's points were worth answering. The answer he received was strident and judging. He was voicing his thoughts. He was asking
how we, without more proof, could risk WW3? At least this is what I heard. The answer given was shaming in it's tone.
however. I was the argumentative one to have begun my response with
rude words. I owe Mrs. C an aplogy for that.

Scott said...

OK, on that I'm going to go ahead and close this thread it won't serve any purpose to continue (then everybody can be mad at me :)

Scott said...

One more quick note; I've been really busy this week, and I checked off on a bunch of comments (backlogged) w/o really reading them and I should have stopped this one before it got this far -