Thursday, July 5, 2012

Russia Makes Threats If Assad Ousted: Sending Arms To Iran

Moscow May Hand Iran S-300, Breach Arms Embargo If Assad Ousted

Moscow has removed the gloves in its defense of Syrian ruler Bashar Assad. Wednesday, July 4, senior official Ruslan Pukhov warned: “If the Syrian regime is changed by force or if Russia doesn't like the outcome, it most likely will respond by selling S-300s to Iran."

Pukhov, who sits on the Russian Defense Ministry’s advisory board and heads a defense affairs think tank in Moscow, added: "The fall of the Syrian government would significantly increase the chances of a strike on Iran. Resuming S-300 shipments to Iran may be a very timely decision."

To this day, Moscow is certain that the same Western-Arab coalition will sooner or later intervene militarily in Syria and then move against Iran.

Sources in Washington and Jerusalem found evidence of that suspicion in comments made by Russian President Vladimir Putin during his visit to Israel on June 25. He is reported to have scattered vague threats indicating that Syrian President Bashar Assad’s overthrow would be treated by Moscow as violating Security Council resolutions and elicit Russia’s exit from the international arms embargo on the Syrian regime. Putin was not specific.

And below we can see why this is a significant development:

Russian S-300 missiles batteries would make the targeting of Iranian nuclear sites by US and Israeli warplanes difficult because that weapon is reputed to have a near-zero miss ratio for intercepting ballistic and cruise missiles – even when they come in at very low altitudes.

In late 2009, Moscow began sending Iran some of the technical accessories for the S-300 batteries while withholding the actual missiles and their control and radar systems

Israeli air crews are at bases in Greece training in counter-measures since developed to outwit the S-300.

Tehran has tried to manufacture homemade equivalents to the S-300 on its own - drawing on the knowhow of Iranian military personnel trained in their use in Russia to form designer and construction teams working from blueprints provided during their training.
China, which has received these systems from Russia and is replicating them, was quietly approached by Iran for assistance. Beijing is reported to have handed over some of the technical materials but not the key blueprints for enabling their manufacture.

That is why Iranian generals often report progress in producing an air defense system similar to the Russian model and declare it will be operational by mid-2013, but have never displayed a homemade prototype.

Developments like this would seemingly push up the timeline for Israel to attack. The longer they wait, the more Iran will have progressed in developments such as this, making an Israeli action more difficult and more costly in terms of damage and the lives of their soldiers.


Anonymous said...

Amazing what's coming out of Moscow! 'Do what we want or else.' Its like the KGB is threatening the whole world. And Assad is vying for a place on the UN Security Councel???? How insane is that????

Anonymous said...

I need to make one comment on the Ally warnings yesterday:
Yes, she has a lovely, gentle, loving spirit, and I see her character is true.

I will warn every one though about taking Steve Quayle as a viable source, or as a true believer. I have had a personal run in with the man, as have many others I know, when we emailed him and asked him questions about his sources, when we saw contradictions. He asks us to believe him with no proof and then asks us to buy his products. I personally have gotten back emails from Quayle that were DEFINITELY not from the Holy Spirit, and, niether was the foul language he used. He slandered me personally and others, by name, on his old radio show before he went off and turned it over to Hawk and others. I do not pick up the fruit of the Spirit from him at all. He said at least 15 years ago his "deep back side sources" TOLD him things were going down with in 2 weeks. Then he would, by this un-verifyable "info" encourage people to buy gold from him and 'enner-food'.he has done this over and over again, and it generates huge sales, but the "info" never comes to pass. He has also 'bugged out' of his radio show and come back on many times.
Steve Quayle does not display the spirit of love. He discredits anyone who genuinely questions him or his sources, because, I believe, it threatens his income. 3 years ago he got everyone worked up that he was about to put up 'the red screen' and bug out with in 2 weeks. It never happened. Then, he would come on the air in just one last "emergency radio show" with "vital information". This would generate HUGE sales. I listened to those shows. I had been listen to him for over 10 years. Others I know have been listening to him for at least 20. I have not heard himsay anything different, but in fact put a new spin on the same old aledged 'deep back side intel' and generate a new flurry of gold and ener-food buying.
Steve Quayle is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Listen to the Lord. Like John the beloved apostle, if we are close to Jesus our Beloved Messiah and Savior, as he was, we will hear His voice telling us "who it is that will betray us", meaning, the Lord tells those close to Him what they need to know. Mr. Quayle is fleecing the flock.
Beware of him.

Ally said...

Who do you trust? Who do you feel is trustworthy? Please tell me! I trust Scott, I trust the Cavers, I trust Charles Stanley, I trust Henry Gruver, I trust David Wilkerson. There are secular people I trust too, like Michael Janitch (dutchsinse), I trust GG and most of the regulars on this site.
I would never want to lead anyone into mis information. I try to use my Bible as the standard. But I can assure you, the U.S. Will be invaded by both China and Russia and its not far off. Wether before or after the rapture I do not know! No spirit visited me or anything like that. I had a very clear wide awake vision that shook me to the core. Much like the one that I had that returned me back to God. Satan does not show you something that turns you back to God, does he? Maybe I wasn't supposed to share it. I don't know. Ive only had 2 in my whole life like that. I was wide awake and I suddenly was seeing almost like a movie but it was so real, I could draw perfect pictures if I was an artist.
The sense of urgency was unbelievably strong! And when it was over, there I was in the same place, standing there. The first one I had several years ago, I was in my apt on a nice sunny day and several friends were over. Suddenly, I was right outside my apt. It was grey and cold and all the buildings were falling down, very grey and sooty, ashy. It was clear that the buildings had been bombed, rubble was everywhere. And there was a woman with very raggedy clothes, ver filthy, gaunt, hungry. She was digging through the dirt where my garden had been and she was digging up worms and greedily shoving them into her mouth. She couldn't see me. And then boom, I am back in my living room. I couldnt even talk but I must have looked awful. My boyfriend put me to bed and I was FREAKED OUT for 3 weeks. All I could do was cry, I was so depressed, I thought I might actually have to go and get on some kind of med. I literally couldnt eat, I laid in the fetal position. And I KNEW without a shadow of a doubt God showed me that. He let me see what was coming upon this earth. (im pretty sure it was during the tribulation, the first one)
The second one, I dont know why I was shown. There is no voice or being or anything like that, no aura or anything that would lead me to believe its some kind of weird seizure. I definately had the strong sensation that if the christians in America didnt get serious, we would see the invasion.
Have you ever woken up from a nightmare and cant shake it? Its that feeling but a million times worse. Why he would show it to me, I dont know.
Anyway thats pretty much it. I dont know why he showed me, I thought it was a warning but who am I to say. If you guys figure it out let me know.
Love you all very much!

Nathan said...

So lets see ? The pope called for global government with teeth , The Central Bankers are consolidating power in Europe , Leon Panetta told congress we'll seek U.N approval for future wars , We have the small arms treaty going on now , and the U.N is trying to establish control of the internet ? Throw in the World Trade organization , World Health Org , World bank , U.N , NATO , and the Hague and we "conspiracy theorist" might not be as crazy as we sound ?

Oh P.s google CNBC admits we are slaves to the Central Bankers then google the next day CNBC says "is this world government ? Its real folks and its happening .
If you don't follow CNBC it helps to know that they are literally puppets for Banks and Wallst (So my eyes about popped out of my head when they said this )

Peace out

Caver said...

Ally, thank you for your kind words.

WV, prayers are with you.

For almost a year now, have been saying that Sept-Oct looks to me like the likely time frame for the first domino to fall. No brilliance by me, but a combined input from any number of sources in both the military and economics....not to mention Lindsey Williams.

Iran going deep looked like it might speed things up. Now the success Europe has had in not going into more debt sooner could delay things. BUT, the Sept/Oct time frame still looks like the averaged opinion I'm seeing out there. plans and schemes....and God must get a huge chuckle...

We all know the One in charge of the final Schedule. We also keep looking for the approximate date of one particular game changing event......The Big Poof.

OK, the checkered flag is ready to drop on the day's insanity....

Anonymous said...

I honestly didn't realize God spoke to us through visions.? I thought that was something that only happend way back when..Like before Christ came, and special visions when writing the Bible to tell us what was to accur in the future. (which is now present day! Praise God)
I don't know..beware.

Not saying that bad, bad things are not to come to us. We may have to endure a lot before we are Raptured. We have no idea when we will be taken to be with the Lord. It could be any minute, but it could be several years. We just don't know. IF it is several years from not,then not a doubt in my mind that we as Christian, even here in America are going to endure some very hard times, trails, test.
Please come soon Lord.

GG said...

Matthew 6:22

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Matthew 5:15
Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.
Luke 11:34
Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eyes are good, your whole body also is full of light. But when they are bad, your body also is full of darkness.
Luke 11:35
See to it, then, that the light within you is not darkness.

2 Corinthians 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Psalms 26:10 In whose hands are evil devices, and their right hand is full of bribes.

Job 21:27 "Behold, I know your thoughts, the devices with which you would wrong me.
Job 17:11 My days have passed by, My devices have been broken off, The possessions of my heart!

Psalms 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.

Proverbs 1:31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

verbs 19:21 There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand.

Isaiah 32:7 The ways of the scoundrel are evil. He devises wicked devices to destroy the humble with lying words, even when the needy speaks right

Jeremiah 11:19 But I was like a gentle lamb that is led to the slaughter; and I didn't know that they had devised devices against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with its fruit, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness";
Job 15:5 Your sin prompts your mouth; you adopt the tongue of the crafty.

WVBORN56 said...

Thanks Caver, much appreciated.

It also looks like you nailed the sept-oct time frame last year when many of us were thinking things would break sooner in the ME. I just couldn't see how things could last that long at the current pace but they clearly have. Our time frame is not always God's time frame.

Re: Steve Quayle...Like Scott says on all these "sources" use discernment! I had never heard of the guy until I followed the link Ally provided. I would not necessarily throw out everything he had to say but I would also not bet the house on his commentary either. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know bad things are coming. We know that based on the book of Revelation and we are quickly leading up to that point in the history of mankind. We are priveledged to be living in these times.

It is good advice to keep our eyes on Jesus and His Word as the ultimate source! Everything we read should have to pass thru that filter.


GG said...

Hi Ally~
I understand the confusion you are going through. I believe these things you are seeing are warnings in many forms. Let me see if I can help you but it is going to take a big change for anyone if they want these things to work. First as we know we cannot serve two masters.:

Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

That is the first step in changing our outcomes. I know you have been through a lot and have a heart that wants to help everyone. Through each action we all must watch what type of influences we are around. Spirits are real and can do a lot of danger. Satan is always looking for that door in. Many times he comes in with such enticements that look good on the outside and once you are in the true spirit of those fruits come out. That is why we must put on our shield of armor daily to protect us from head to toe. Until we change what we are exposing ourselves too the forces will not go away.

Following the LAW of God, the LAW of the word is critical, especially in these last days. :) If we do not operate by the laws of God then we are operating by the laws of men. We cannot serve two masters, that is what free will offers. We have to make a choice and be steadfast in our decisions, without wavering. When we have done all of these things, We must STAND and WAIT.

God has his plan over all of us. When we move ahead of him, we create a plan that was not of his design. This is how many get restless instead of prayerfully seeking Gods will for their lives when restlessness occurs. It is very easy to do because we are human in nature. We are in a very fast paced world that wants answers fast. We are to have grown by now and follow the law of God :) It takes work like any personal relationship. It takes love, patience, kindness, time and energy. It takes time to cultivate a good working relationship.

GG said...


Reading all of James (1:1-27 will be very helpful as well....)

19My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. 21Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.

22Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror 24and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.

26If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. 27Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

We must follow the laws of God, not the laws of men. This is not about breaking the laws that govern our country, right, wrong or indifferent. We must follow authority and use discernment every moment of the day until we can go home. We shall not bow down to any false Gods.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

Romans 2:9
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Philippians 4:6
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

John 10:10
The thief comes not, but to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Isaiah 57:15
For thus says the high and lofty One that inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

1 Peter 4:7
But the end of all things is at hand: be therefore sober minded, and watch unto prayer.

GG said...

Ally- (Con't)

While waiting always check out the fruit of those around you. Here are some things to look for:

Good Fruit vs Bad Fruit

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Some ides of Bad Fruits:

Envy, Slander, Annoyance, Worry, Criticism, Fear, Anger, Revenge, Hate, Resentment, Guilt, Depression, Unrest

Many of these bad fruits are created from many choices we have made along with many un-resolved issues. Some of these cultivated themselves from other issues that started a cycle that needs to be broken only with the help of God. It could be something as easy as being in the wrong company and becoming those things that we are continually around that do not follow Gods word. There are many factors that play a part into our outcomes. Only you and God will know what is the true reason for these things. He can help us overcome these obstacles in life and move into a life full of peace.

Deuteronomy 32:39
39 “See now that I myself am he!
There is no god besides me.
I put to death and I bring to life,
I have wounded and I will heal,
and no one can deliver out of my hand.

So we know that God is not the source of wickedness but he often uses such situations to remind us what path we are on. God will often take man's wrath and apply it toward him and turn that into a wonderful thing for Gods glory. The wrath which is not worthy of Gods praise for example will be handled by God and restrained.

If you look at the book of Job you will see a lot of that :) Look into many other passages that relate to such things and sometimes you will see that God will have removed his protective hand and hand the person over to Satan which creates torment. God is not creating the wickedness but he is allowing it so God will have his glory when that person returns back to him whole heartily, in repentance and continues to seek the will of God on his life. This is Satan's world. If we want God to help us and guide us we must make a commitment to him and follow him. His way will help guide us from all these extra attacks that may not been of our doing.

We can't have it both ways. A little bit of this and a little bit of that is reflective of self being the leader instead of God. Sorry if I am not saying that right but I am just trying to give you a little overview without killing the message from the HS :) In the end God will have his Glory. What we do up until that point makes us all accountable to God.

GG said...

Ally - (End)

I don't know who this person you are talking about up above, but we do know he is not God,none of us. We can however be wonderful representatives of God. If many people have been stung by this situation, then most likely it is not a good way to go. Just like the followings of Dutch. Nothing against him, but if one is dabbling in sorcery and witchcraft, and following UFO's etc. they are entertaining the wrong spirits. Some may be blessed as vessels to see things maybe most don't. However; if those doors are not properly sealed, and only lead by the HS for Gods purposes only, one can consider themselves at a GREATER risk for evil spirits to enter into the doorway of their lives. Spiritual warfare is very real and we all want to minimize entertaining those things which are not of God.

Ally, the best I can say to all of us is to rely on God's word, solely on God's word. Go into prayer and see what the HS tells you, not man. Check these things which I have said against Gods word and see if they are correct and true. If you are unsure, pray again and see what the HS has told you and correct me if in error. We are all human but Gods word is the same. It is going to require use of a concordance. While we are waiting maybe going out and getting a good concordance to have handy would not be bad. You always have many references in the back of the bible. Just ask yourself if the internet goes out do I have all the tools I need to still delve successfully into the word of God. We are all going to need them.

Hope this helps!

God Bless!!

GG said...


I just wanted to let you know how excited I am for you to start to feel better. I hope God will bless you with visitors of this blog if that is what you feel up to. Sometimes we may not feel so par. Just know in spirit or person we are here for you!!

I have felt a strong prompting lately to shout out to my brother James. I hope things with the new job have been good for you and I truly do look forward to meeting everyone.

I would like to add a special prayer request- if the Lord should tarry could we pull together and part for our children. The summer will be over before we know it and our school systems could easily come under attack either through the non-saved children or the non-saved staff or even outside war like conditions. May we protect these children at every turn!!

God Bless!!


GG said...

Sorry, silly spell check needed :). Let us not part for our children but pray.

Anonymous said...

Anon, read Acts 2:17 and Joel 2:28! About dreams and visions.

Anonymous said...

wow GG..that was wonderful. You are a wise lady. I enjoyed reading your comments today and I agree with your prayer request. Amen, and I will certainly pray for the children. They are so vunerable.

God Bless.

Ally said...

GG-thanks for all your time and help. I read it very carefully several times. And will read it a few more.
I have decided not to post here very much anymore. I love you all with the love of Christ and will continue to pray for all who come here. And trust me, I will be coming here several times aday still!
I haven't been offended or anythung like that. My comments seem to cause too much upheavel and division among the body. That is certainly not my goal in any way. Healthy discussion is desired but not always acheived. :(
Many people come here from many different countries and from many different places and different levels of understanding. My questions and contributions and ponderings aren't for this time. I've spent a life being a few steps aheadof the curve (this doesnt mean im better, smarter, more advanced or anything like that at all) It just means I'm really good at putting puzzles together. Lol, or seeing where things are headed. I have a gift for seeing how things fit tigether. My brain never stops moving. Both blessing and curse.
Remember, Jesus loves each one of you very much! And so do I. Maranatha my brothers and sisters!

GG said...

Hi Ally-

I would hate to see the devil win by causing you to fall away from fellowship. He knows what he is doing, please don't let him win. He knows he wants you and so do we :)

The teachings are all in love and it is for us all,not just you I promise. When God wanted us unified in the body of Christ, it is for such protections as these. You are a conquerer-you can do this through Christ Jesus!! :)

God Bless!!


WVBORN56 said...

Thanks GG, not sure about visitors on the other side of surgery at least on the first couple of days but after that I am sure it would be fine especially for my wife. We do have my cousin and his wife in Greenville as well as our old youth Pastor and wife in Burlington.

GG said...

Hi Anon-

Thank you but it is only the HS. I prayed prior to posting and had him lead me. It came out in the same format he desired. God loves all his children and doesn't want to lose one :)

God Bless!!


WVBORN56 said...

GG praying before we post is a great idea. I agree your posts are very uplifting as are Ally's. I think that fits perfectly with I Corinthians 3:5-20 where Paul encourages us to build on the firm foundation of Jesus Christ with gold, silver and precious stones. When we do it in the flesh and not the spirit it tends to be wood, hay and stuble. When we pray and work in the spiiit we are laying up for ourseves treasures in heaven because it is done in the spirit. It goes perfectly with Psalms 127 that echo's this principle, "Unless the Lord builds the house we labor in vain!" Amen!

Helen said...

I don't post much, (but, I read a lot) and I just want to say something about the discussion.

I learned the hard way many years ago not to depend on my "feelings", dreams" etc. If something makes me fearful, it is not of our Lord.

There was a time in my life when I had friends taking money out of the bank, storing food, etc. because I just KNEW the Lord was showing me something. I was wrong!

I can fully admit this now in hopes that it will help someone else.

He did not "give us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." 2 Timothy 1:7

I have studied what the Bible has to say about the 'end times' and I know that we can all be wrong in our eschatology. I don't think we should be adamant about how things will play out. I do believe in interpreting Scripture with Scripture.

I think hind sight is the only 20/20 vision when it comes to prophecy. Some of the very best teachers are sometimes wrong.
But when it comes to God's principals and precepts, His Word is absolute.

I have a very hard time explaining myself, so I will just stop.

I love to read here, and I pray that I have not said the wrong thing.

Helen said...

Forgot to say....

God bless you all!

Anonymous said...



Anonymous said...


The vision you had was not of the future; it was a revelation of your spiritual condition starved of God’s Word actually working in your life.

Ash is a symbol of mourning, grieving, bereavement, so are torn clothing – as one is without Christ.

Everything in chaos and destroyed is symbolism for the direct opposite of a life in Christ.

The Chinese and the Russians are your personal perception of the enemy of our souls in the life of an unbeliever or backslider.

It was a vision of your true self in ashes. The sense of urgency is of one who perceives in the heart that NOW is the day of salvation – tomorrow is too late.

Beauty for ashes is the promise given to those who repent and learn to abide in Christ.

16yrChristianTeenager said...

Guys i was on Fb and someone said on his status about a video by Kanye West and Jay-z called no Church in the wild this is what he said "anybody seen the no church in the wild video...thats what the world going to become like"
I think he is right becuz the video shows us teenagers violence and lead the christian teenagers the wrong direction, which is the evil one. But the vidoe i think also shows that with christianity/God there is no Freedom. Which means i think in the future people will go against christians and they will persecutions. Thru this video i found out there will be soon a NEW AGE. It will be Like sodom and Gomorra or like in the days on Noah


mary said...

It made me sad when you ended your post with "....and I pray that I have not said the wrong thing." The reason it made me sad is because I feel the same way. I guess I do not have much self confidence in myself, but this(blog) is all new to me and I am not sure what we are allowed to talk about.
I realize we all have varying thoughts and opinions and need to listen and sometimes just agree to disagree>?Ok, so I am going to go quietly away, and hope I did not step on any toes.
I also like Ally love you all here so much.I wish we could talk more about many things. Any ideas?
p.s. by going away, I didn't mean from this blog forever, just slinking out of the room:)

Caver said...

By Anon,

"...The vision you had was not of the future; it was a revelation of your spiritual condition starved of God’s Word actually working in your life.,,"

Oh, knock it off.

Its so obvious who you are.

Looks like our periodic strife bringer is gracing us with another visit.....sigh

Mrs.C said...

Sister Ally, :)
Dont EVEN pay any attention to the "anon" post. This person hasnt got a CLUE as to what they are talking about, because this person is SO disconnected from Him, that its actually sad...its also VERY obvious as to who this person is.
Hang in there, most important He Loves you!
God Bless!
Oh, BTW, be careful who you call out to...these people never really leave but just crawl back in from the shadows as "anons" or use different old, ya know?

GG said...

Hi Mary, Helen, etc.

I think there seems to be some misunderstanding lately about not being able to share on this blog. I don't think it's about being limited about what to say as it is how the content, in a way, if that is the right way for me to say that, is the potential problem may affect the person seeking.

For example, we have several anon's who are the same person posing with the same theme that reflect attacking others first and leave without any ideas of help or even scripture to back up their statements. If they do go as far as using scripture, it is a blanket statement but it is not teaching the person they call into error about what they did wrong. So they (fake anon's) leave here saying, in a nutshell something like " I guess we just can't say anything we wish" when that is not the point, but their goal is to attack and bring the person down who is trying to share openly in their heart. I can't tell you the amount of times I left shaking my head thinking what??? Then things in time became crystal clear. This was a cruel way to effect others witness and their goal wasn't to help in brotherly and sisterly love to stay on the right path; but their goal is to make every feel beneath them, berate them and weaken their walk with Christ so they look good. In time, I also discovered they were cherry picking scripture to suit their attacks and realized this was not part of Gods plan for us to be quoting him and his good word.

We have many people at different stages and of course that is a wonderful thing, God loves that everyone is seeking and learning to grow in their walk with him. The key is who are we all working for and what is our main purpose?

If it is to be representatives for Christ, we are to represent what he stands for and what his message is, etc. We are to do it in love and teach with patience and understanding like Jesus taught while on earth. You can see the style of these anon's who are doing everything else but being loving about correcting another.

I believe that God put all these wonderful acts of love and service along with scriptures and parables together because he knew we were all going to be growing at different levels and needed it to survive our daily walk; knowing we all have different talents and different ways of expression but with the same goal in mind, to serve him according to his word. To help a stumbling brother or sister who may be lost. To help save a life and witness to them. No matter who we are we have to ask ourselves are we truly committed to following the will of God?

We have to ask ourselves if we are claiming that God says this; and this is how it shall be, are we doing it with the right spirit and intent and truly claiming to serve self or to help share and spread the gospel? What does Gods word truly say about any given subject we are looking at? What is the context in which it is used? Are we using the discernment of the HS to review things? Above all things are we living his word when we claim he says this and that? Not that we have to be rigid in our walk with Christ but Christ as a lifestyle choice. :) Even my words seem to be failing me - ha ha, so I hope you can see this post in the spirit of love that it is given.

GG said...


I have come on here many times with sincere questions and have received for the most part some very humble answers and teachings. From that, I have been able to grow and help others from the same way I have learned, never to return it with the attacks I have received from the others.
For those who don't know all the answers, like all of us are in many situations, :)

We share, we express, we inquire and desire to learn from the other posters, and more importantly grow from it. I hope that is coming out right. We don't want to be afraid to post but we do have these Jokesters adding confusion in the mix here and they live daily to do it. So that is making it very hard to feel safe for some.

So please trust that things are monitored and if your heart is right, and your intent is right and you are helping another, how can you go wrong? The only way we are doing a dis-service to the word of God is adding to it or taking away from it with outside thinking that is not of those things he said. For example leading others into other false teachings because that is what they know about it. It is always good to inquire about such false teachings and ask your brothers and sisters and to learn what God says about things, but it is never good to promote those things that are not of God and stay there. That brings confusion and can cause many to backslide, or seek another God of their choosing , (a false God) and we lose another one that we could have witness to and saved and they live a life apart from Jesus for eternality. We don't know how we can be truly affecting someone's life at home when we move away from our computers. They may think it is the end of the world without hope.

I have experienced a lot of what Ally deals with growing up and that is why I can speak from experience. I have family members practicing these things and I just can't be in that. It's a tough, very tough choice when you love those around you. In the end I have and did make a choice and that was to Honor thy Father, with all my heart. He has my best interest in mind and with him is where I shall go. Does my humanly side wish to wonder about other things, you betcha, but at the end of those thoughts, it's about discipline and being a disciple, the discipline one of Christ and working for Gods greater good, not my entertaining pleasure. :) We are all human but where our heart is, so shall our words speak, and our actions will follow.

I don't want these situations with the anon's and even some others we know to change our goal. Please post in confidence. If your message lines up with the will of God and represents the love in sharing, how can that be wrong? If others have questions, they will ask in love, there is no need for rudeness or sarcasm to deliver Gods word, correct? Ask God to show you the difference of these people on the board, I promise you will see it and won't be held back by the feeling of being attacked. Sadly it's a game gone bad that we must rise above and keep doing the will of our Father. God knows our thoughts and our hearts every minute of the day. If you mean something good, fret not and maybe now you can see how things could have been misconstrued.

I hope this helps. Soon this will be over and working so hard to do it right will seemed so worth it. For every time we make a conscious effort to do the right things with the right heart and motives, you bet God is smiling down upon us. When people think they have to speak in attacks to talk to others and can call that love with a God title, I am sorry that is not love, that is a flaw in their character and Jesus never spoke to anyone like that :) Happy Posting!!

God Bless!!

mary said...

Dear GG,
thanks for your most thoughtful and beautiful response. I am overwhelmed by your sincere kindness.Yes, you did help a lot in explaining some things. I do love this place and the love of this family.Your encouragement is greatly appreciated.I look forward to more conversations.
God bless, mary

Anonymous said...

IMister Caver
if I speak falsely AND you all know who I am then Biblically you MUST name and shame me. The Lord knows the content and leading of my heart and if I needs/must suffer persecution for obeying His leading - then so be it.

So I really don't care that you know who I am as long as you don't still pretend your knowledge comes from The Holy Spirit.

Like I have said previously here, I have always known there is no such thing as Anonymous on the internet and this blog spies and snoops on all those who post here to find out who we all are - then pretend it is by divine revelation.

Personally I don't care about their infractions into my rights to remain private, but its high time they come clean and tell the truth to all who DO mind.

Blogger - Gig Grother is watching you here, no Misses if you C what I mean. The blog master has been taken over - nice chap, its just a crying shame hes been infected by the Deadly Duo and their hanging on their every word - side kick!

They have yet to learn that their 'Manifest sons of god' brand of 'spiritual warfare' ignorantly named 'binding and loosing' DOESN'T WORK - its a supersticious farce.

This message will self destruct when the SS turns up.

Caver said...

No, I just gotta chuckle...

No, just to set the record straight...I have never, ever claimed that my knowledge came from the Holy Spirit. Sometimes I do get a "twinge" to be aware of a developing thread to watch and see if its you developing your "bait" again, but I never claimed anything further.

I do, however, believe there are a few here whom the Holy Spirit lead in their efforts to find who/what was causing such strife here and why.

But I won't take a bite out of your dangling bait.

Anonymous said...


‘Attack’ is the term used to lamely resist anyone’s presentation of the truth to correct error’s so vehemently defended.

Mary, your discernment was right in the first place, so don’t be fooled by the sickly sweet fawning masquerading as ‘wisdom’.

Throwing God’s Word around like so much confetti does NOT a teacher make (or a student) Fyi, this is my first time here for many months, but they lump all Anons into one big pyre and burn us as one entity, such is their ignorance of discernment.

Poor, dear Scott; WHEN are you going to wake up to their contamination and rank obtuse rumblings of what they falsely call ‘knowledge’? Their Scriptural ignorance is palpable and they have wrecked the integrity of your site.

Anonymous said...

Mister Caver
I agree, you are the least of the three evils blighting this blog - by far. Alone, you have more sense and compassion than the witch finder GGeneral and her Condemning Co-worker. Stand up for yourself and stop being manipulated. Be a MAN, these women are a plague on yours and Scotts house.

Mrs.C said...

Anon,...oh are too funny! Why is it so predictable that the word "witch" would show up.
Your spewing of venom is also so predictable! Im embarrassed for you. Always sliding in here when you perceive Scott not being around. Baiting to try to find out what we know? Side kicks? LOL You are the creator of "side kicks", and their predictable too! Always the same, appear, try to blend in, use flattery, cause strife, then your “characters” disappear, but really don’t, do they. You just continue as “anons” or some other new “character”. Then even add the twist of having these “characters”/ “anons” jump in and claim that others have been “chased away”, (and it appears like that to the innocent Brothers and Sisters here) when in fact, you just retired one of your “characters” from your bad novel once they were caught and challenged.
You create multiple "characters", that jump in ALL THE TIME along with all your “anons”, AND theres also your primary side kick too! Your frustration is so obvious! Its interesting how you ATTEMPT to project onto others, what indeed you are guilty of! Your are the epitome of a shell game. Attack, and distract, thats your game, then play victim using so many other names to try to manipulate the other true Brothers and Sisters here. Then for you and YOUR side kick to endanger the very life of a dear Brother here! That’s ok with you? More importantly, do you think that’s ok with God!?
You see dear anon, your game plan with your "side kick" got interrupted, and you cant stand it! Why? because you are not attempting to teach, learn, share Gods Word, but rather distortedly attempting to use His Word as a hammer to falsely condemn others, and to lift yourself up. That was the game plan, wasnt it? To use Scotts blog for yours, and your "side kick" agenda/platform, to spout your own twisted perversion of Gods Word. Not to lead the lost to Him, its all about you, because you’ve convinced yourself that your just so much more of an “intellect” than other Brothers and Sisters. Just floating on the wind, from blog to blog, trying to interject your strife and warped teachings.
And of course, the never ending insults, sadly just demonstrate how confused you are and darkness that has seeped within you. That is why you attempt to disrupt so much. Didnt you once admit, that you lacked in your relationship with the Holy Spirit, that He evaded you, and you longed for a connection with Him? Again, your display of attempted intellect (and I say that lightly), you just display how huge the chasm is in that relationship.
So typical of you, with your criticism of others who do indeed, have a relationship with the Holy Spirit. Everyone's just a bunch of bumpkins, with no book learn'n to you, right? You are so saturated in self-righteousness; you cannot see it at all. Because you believe yourself to be an intellect, and its all about you and your twisted Spanish Inquisition mentality. Your so frustrated because you cant figure out how we know. You mock, laugh and attack the fact that the Holy Spirit provides discernment to others. Again, that is because you yourself lacking that discernment.
Its humorous how you refer to others as being "ignorant". You so have taken a bite of the apple, havent cha. Yup, your convinced that "knowledge" is everything, and your self-righteousness just spews out of you. You can quote Scripture all you want, and spew your own twisted version, but you are so immersed in the false perception of your own presumed intellect, that you have no idea who He truly is.

Mrs.C said...

None of us should be surprised at the Spiritual war fare going on here, as it is just another confirmation of His Word regarding these Last Days. What better way, than through Christian “Brothers and Sisters”, but then again, He warned us of that EXACT occurrence too! As Peter said this would happen during “perilous times”. Whew, the enemy just cant stand Scotts Blog and the message of His soon return. You see, if you had His Love in your heart, you wouldnt be criticizing others for sharing His Love. Again, and again, your words you’ve used attack even the use of the word “His Love”. Your dark words appear to indicate that “His Love” repulses you. Why is that? Your heart appears to be hardened towards Him, and your trapped in the darkness fueled by the promise of more "knowledge" and the self-righteousness just grows in the emptiness. Havent you noticed that the enemy is using you against your own Brothers and Sisters? especially the closer we are to the return of our Lord? Does Judas ring any bells for you? Time is short. Wake up! Wake up! Its not too late! Run to Him, seek Him, He waits for your return with an abundance of His Love, and open arms!
2 Timothy 3:5
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

GG said...

Hi Mrs. C~

They want answers and they are not going to get them. We know when they can't pull out the answers they want they will come in with other ways. Anon-(out of respect, and if we were to disclose all the info- I promise you, it will not be through here but with the right authorities) so get at peace about this. You have been cut a lot of slack, so take it. You have graciously been allowed to partake inspite the your constant cruelties. For some reason all the love and goodness makes you sick, which is so sad. I feel for you on some different level that you can't accept it without destroying the gifts constantly given to you. That is sad.

I am sorry you battle with many things, but we all do. It's time, it's over. You can lose hours of sleep if you will trying to find answers, you should have thought of that long ago.

Sorry to all those getting attacked but we will move on and they will have to deal or be deleted in the long run. Only God knows what their motivating factors are here and I guarantee it has nothing to do with anything anyone has done to them here.

God Bless!! May we make a wonderful difference in the world today.


GG said...

For the record,no one has ever gone into any private anything. The best part is by your own creation over time for all the places you have been harrassing others. Have you ever thought others may have been tired of this too and are speaking up against this farse too? Either way, let's let it go. The truth will come out in the end. We will name you and yours but it will be under our terms not yours.


James N Nashville said...


I've kept quiet until now but enough is enough. You might want to reference God's word on the hatred you are spewing.

John 3:19-21 tells us what people like you are all about.

Matthew 12:33-37 tells us that people like you produce rotten fruit. Nothing good will be produced by you until you reconcile your heart.

Matthew 15:10-20 speaks to the fact that you know the truth but what comes out of your mouth isn't what the Lord has taught you. Remove yourself from the pedestal you've placed yourself on and purify your heart.

Matthew 23:25-28 calls you the hypocrite you are and warns you of the judgement stored up for you.

Luke 6:43-45 Luke 11:39-40 Luke 12:1-3 Luke 8:9-14
Calls you out and compares you to the blind Pharisees of His time. Confident of your own righteousness you fail at understanding it is the humble person in Christ who inherits the kingdom of Heaven.

Turn away from your vile self indulgent behavior and reconcile yourself today because tomorrow is only promised to those who are in Him in love.

James N Nashville

WVBORN56 said...

Psalm 31:18

"Let their lying lips be silenced, for with pride and contempt they speak arrogantly against the righteous."

I will pray God removes your blinders anon. You really are on shaky ground.

What are we without love?

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to apologize because I think I defended this anon not too long ago. I am not familiar with what ever it is he has been doing to this blog but it doesnt sound good. I picked out Mrs. C because I didnt like the way people were responding to him or her but I am so sorry, I hope you forgive me...I am guessing there is more to the story than I knew. Please forgive me if I offended anyone, I love this blog and you all. Thanks,

Caver said...


Well, looks like our antagonist is following the usual script....

Found out, called out, challenged with scripture....then a brief departure to savage other boards before cycling back again.

Anon, we know you want to bait and direct the discussion to a Pre Wrath, mid trib rapture POV and such.

But really...

Don't you think that maybe some real time alone on your knees asking for guidance from our Father might not be the better next move. Ya know, He is there if sincerely sought, and a relationship with the Holy Spirit can be every one of us, you included.

May I humbly suggest that your prayers include sincerely requesting that He change your heart to reflect His will....whatever that may be.

You know confusion, spiteful, hurtful, and ugly discourse is NOT of Him. You know that a personal relationship with His enter Holy Family is possible, you know He can open eyes, give clarity, and change hearts. You know there's nothing to loose, and everything to gain.

Why not go for it?

God Bless

Anonymous said...

GG said For the record, no one has ever gone into any private anything. The best part is by your own creation over time for all the places you have been harrassing others. Have you ever thought others may have been tired of this too and are speaking up against this farse too? Either way, let's let it go. The truth will come out in the end. We will name you and yours but it will be under our terms not yours."

Busybodies running from house to house who are unable to give a definitive Biblical answer so you stick your thumb in your mouth, throw all your toys out of the pram and scream blue bloody murder that the nasty man has fwightened woo. You are SO easy to confuse and rattle – ignorance must be bliss, but not for those who NEED a Biblical response instead of all the nasty, spiteful accusations of ‘foul’ you always run to for cover to cover your ignorance.

Now GG, you carry on with your oft repeated legal threats, run to the world for the protection you cannot get through fallacious ‘binding and loosing’.

You will be very hard pressed to find any evidence of harassment from me; you are destined to fall into that pit you are digging. The only FARCE around here is your misleading, faulty use of Scripture where certain people are in dire need to be Biblically led, but all you are is the blind leading the blind – watch out, there’s a big ditch ahead and THE TRUTH will certainly soon come back to put a final end to this Biblically ignorant, mean spirited, comment section

Manifest Sons of God, Latter Rain, Toronto, Pensacola …..old names give way to new, but it’s the same old, same old, religious voodoo masquerading as third rate spirituality. God is in His heaven and is recoiling at the deceptive, ignorant words and false ‘manifestations’ you DARE to call ‘the holy spirit’ – lower case is certainly ‘the case’. Come quickly Lord Jesus your children perish for lack of knowledge.

James, WVborn I am a CRITIC; I am attempting to do what YOU should have done – you did try but you got pelted back into order by the ‘Jezebel’ spirit (Joke) Woman leading men is a serious error and they need putting in their places with a really good Systematic Bible Study. IF this stayed purely as a news debating blog, this would not be necessary, but it is APPALING the advice being given to people such as Stephen and Ally – DREADFUL.

If you agree with it then you too need a good shake up to get you into line with Scripture and put a stop to using God’s precious Word like so many spit balls. ‘Spit balls’ was an excellent observation put forth by an Anon who clearly saw through all this Unsystematic, flagrant abuse of Bible verses.

There is not just ‘poison in the pot’, the pot has itself become lethal from a failure to sterilise the equipment.

Farah: rest assured you have never ‘defended’ me. My advice to you, is the same to all, and that is run from this polluted den and hide in Jesus Word alone. At least, or until, Scott comes to his senses.

Remember Scott what your friend said (Paul in the Atlantic?) Remove from power those here who live closest to you.

GG said...


It seems you once again wish to hammer one-sided thinking instead of a full loving overview of any given topic. Your vileness truly shows your heart in every word that comes out in your writings, both here and otherwise.

You seem to have chosen a topic that many are very divided on and have been for a very long time. Funny, many of the things you mention in just one of your posts has a lot of ringing from other posts. At the end of all this, it clearly shows your thinking on many topics. That is OK because I thank you for showing me what God was truly teaching us what to look for in these last days.

You seem to despise the loving word of God. You discourage use of it so one will become trapped, enslaved to fear and strife, instead of moving just a little further in your so called "teachings" to see a broader teaching on this very tough topic presented by many.

If you so desire to limit your thinking, as you say, so be it. While I understand the debate at hand, you must always check the intent and heart of another.

I can't imagine me not following:

1 Peter 5:8
“BE SOBER, BE VIGILANT; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. RESIST HIM, STEADFAST IN THE FAITH, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.”

Luke 10:19
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Yes, another one that we both agree on :

Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be what has been bound in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be what has been loosed in heaven.

Matthew 18:18
Verily I say unto you, whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be what has been bound in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be what has been loosed in heaven.

I understand you may think it was all completed when Jesus died and it does not apply to the Church Age now. Fine, whatever your thinking is, I do know it discourages a personal relationship with God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It discourages taking a prayerful approach to whatever our needs may be as we wait patiently on the Lord. It discourages faith that we can turn to prayer whenever we need it because you are stuck in legalism in your mind's eye.
I will continue to let the Holy Spirit intercede on my behalf. If the words you claim are a sin, then I trust I will continue to be made aware and shall humbly change my thinking and repent. In the research I have done on this topic, it seems pretty divided and all I have done is come before my Father and presented my prayer request to keep these evil, vile things at bay. Now, I don't know what mindset you are in today because it seems to change daily, but the Lord knows my heart. I would never offer up something that would be hurtful to another's walk with Christ. We are under attack hourly and daily. Your message implies it is wrong to take an action to stop the wickedness that surrounds us. Remember, here you are stuck on merely two phrases, but have you looked at your actions as a whole? This goal of yours is not about the choice of words with a humble heart, but to add confusion again here. To pick a topic to debate because as you have admitted, that is what you like to do.

GG said...

You have a great problem with respect, authority, women, love, kindness and fellowship. The name calling is truly something putrid in your soul that I am going to keep praying for. If I don't keep praying for you, I will have this brother/sister or sister/brother, however you wish to present yourself today, stuck in a sickly mindset and teaching others hate instead of love. I wish you would turn back. Pride, fear, hurt, etc. has you stuck in a very dark place.

I am not threatening you with any legal, truly, I am not. I am true to my word, I assure you. Your cruelties and lack of love has you bound by your own works. You will continue to be bound by this until you make it right with the Lord. That is how it shall be. So for now, according to my personal walk with Christ; I believe ceasing these whatsoever's; and not the whosoever's is the right thing to guard ourselves against ongoing attacks. I am not entertaining these things but taking some type of action against such things.
In the meantime, I am presenting a prayer for this blog and hope we all can pull together to chase these demons away daily...

God Bless!!


“I am now coming against any demons who are attempting to attack, harass, or torment all of those daily on the blog and personal lives of Scott Sykes. I am now coming against each and every one of you demons in the name of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I am now coming against each and every one you demons by operating under the full power, anointing, and authority of God the Father and Jesus Christ and with the help of the Holy Spirit.

Demons, in the name of Jesus, I now Plead the Blood of Jesus Christ against each and every one of you. I repeat, I now Plead the Blood of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ against each and every one of you.
Demons, in the name of Jesus Christ – I now command you to be gone from this site and from our homes, families and any other areas our lives right now – and you are to NEVER, EVER come back on any of us again. BE GONE – in the name of Jesus Christ! I repeat – BE GONE in the name of Jesus Christ!”

Anonymous said...

GG (Good Grief) oozes eisegesis saying "I am now coming against any demons who are attempting to attack, harass, or torment all of those daily on the blog and personal lives of Scott Sykes. I am now coming against each and every one of you demons in the name of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I am now coming against each and every one you demons by operating under the full power, anointing, and authority of God the Father and Jesus Christ and with the help of the Holy Spirit.

Demons, in the name of Jesus, I now Plead the Blood of Jesus Christ against each and every one of you. I repeat, I now Plead the Blood of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ against each and every one of you.
Demons, in the name of Jesus Christ – I now command you to be gone from this site and from our homes, families and any other areas our lives right now – and you are to NEVER, EVER come back on any of us again. BE GONE – in the name of Jesus Christ! I repeat – BE GONE in the name of Jesus Christ!”

rolls eyes at this ungodly incantation.

When you manage to learn what God actually teaches about spiritual warfare you might - just might begin to mature in your faith. Until then, your words are empty vessels with many a demon holding their sides with laughter at your fake authority. They have more awe and respect for the Blood of Christ Jesus than you have with your false 'pleading'. What absolute garbage - God forgive you your stupidity and vain ignorance.

The Love of God transcends description.

The love of 'man' defies description.

BE GONE you ridiculous woman. Get you to a nunnery.

Anonymous said... Just so we understand each other, I thought the "anon" everyone was referring to was a young man that came on here a week or so ago, its obvious that I was mistaken as I would NEVER EVER defend you in any way. You should remember that the measure with which you judge people YOU will be judged. Your bible knowledge or lack there of will not save you. You will know them by their fruit....go back and read every word you have typed. Its hate filled, its arrogant, its prideful. If you dont like this blog or the comment section, if people make you feel uncomfortable because they believe something different then go to another one...or start your own...let me ask you something. What are YOU doing for Christ? honestly, what are you doing FOR Him? Do you think its pleasing to Him the way you are engaging people on this site? do you think it furthers His kingdom?

Anonymous said...

sorry, that above post was from me, Farah

Anonymous said...

Farah said
You will know them by their fruit...

ABSOLUTELY GG false renditions of Scripture are foul ungodly self orientated dirt ridden WORDS. Thats how all false prophets/teachers always give themselves away by using their OWN words. Matt 6 THATs what we are to judge, its the fruit from the lips of wolves in sheeps clothing - the angels of light Jesus and the Apostles warned us about. Signs of the times and times of the signs, right here in this comment section of a blog that searches the news for political signs. The Apostates are busy right here and now with their false 'love'.

Farah I sincerely hope you didn't think my QUOTE of GG's devilish rampage was what I had written?

Am I furthering His Kingdom? No! It has yet to come when the King returns to earth and Father gives Him David's throne in Jerusalem What I am doing is DEFENDING THE FAITH!

Mrs.C said...

God Bless!
Anon...anon...your words followed by your venom betray who you are time and time again...we've all gone through this with you before, and continually with your false “characters” and false stories associated with them, you create and use to post on here. Just as ALOT of other blogs/sites you have done the same to. The Holy Spirit that you have continually blasphemed, is revealing to others the depth of your darkness and deception. Defending the Faith? is what you have convinced yourself of, and its a lie straight from the pit! As said before, time is very short, and its not too late for you to repent and return to Him! He loves you, and is waiting for you with open arms!

Anonymous said...

MrsC...MrsC...of course I should have realised you know so little Scripture. Just as you declared that Abiding in the Vine in John 15 was, in your limited understanding- straight out of hell - so to Defending the faith also comes out of hell does it.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] THAT YOU CONTEND EARNESTLY FOR THE FAITH which was once delivered unto the saints.

4. For there are CERTAIN MEN CREPT IN unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, UNGODLY MEN, turning the grace of our God into LASCIVIOUSNESS, and DENYING the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day

7. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8. Likewise also these [FILTHY DREAMERS DEFILE THE FLESH: FILTHY, despise dominion, and SPEAK EVIL OF DIGNITIES.

9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a RAILING ACCUSATION (like GG did), but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] THAT YOU CONTEND EARNESTLY FOR THE FAITH which was once delivered unto the saints.

4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day

7. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8. Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, THE LORD REBUKE THEE.

10. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

YOU can find the following 12 verses, all are applicable. You will find Jude between 3John and Revelation in the New Testament. Also you remain confused as I have not the slightest idea what you are drivelling on about – other site? What!?? Tell Mr C he got it wrong as well, NO-WAY am I pre-wrath. These spirits you are all talking to are leading you a right merry dance.