Friday, December 16, 2011

In the news:

Remember: Big Crisis = Big Change:

IMF warns that world risks sliding into a 1930's-style slump

The world risks sliding into a 1930s-style slump unless countries settle their differences and work together to tackle Europe's deepening debt crisis, the head of the International Monetary Fund has warned.

The IMF managing director's call came amid growing concern that 2012 will see Europe slide into a double-dip recession, with knock-on effects for the rest of the global economy. "The world economic outlook at the moment is not particularly rosy. It is quite gloomy," she said

Lagarde said that the scale of the eurozone crisis, and its implications for other countries, meant that Europe's governments could not tackle it alone. "It is going to require efforts, it is going to require adjustment; and clearly it is going to have to start from the core of the crisis at the moment, which is obviously the European countries, and in particular the countries of the eurozone," Lagarde said.


Exclusive: Iran hijacked U.S. drone, says Iranian engineer

Iran guided the CIA's "lost" stealth drone to an intact landing inside hostile territory by exploiting a navigational weakness long-known to the US military, according to an Iranian engineer now working on the captured drone's systems inside Iran.

Iranian electronic warfare specialists were able to cut off communications links of the American bat-wing RQ-170 Sentinel, says the engineer, who works for one of many Iranian military and civilian teams currently trying to unravel the drone’s stealth and intelligence secrets, and who could not be named for his safety.

Using knowledge gleaned from previous downed American drones and a technique proudly claimed by Iranian commanders in September, the Iranian specialists then reconfigured the drone's GPS coordinates to make it land in Iran at what the drone thought was its actual home base in Afghanistan.


Rumors of War:

Syria deploys Russian anti-sea missiles on coast, Scuds on Turkish border

Expanded Russian military and diplomatic support for the Assad regime was underscored by the deployment Friday, Dec. 16, of advanced Moscow-supplied Yakhont (SSN-26) shore-to-sea missiles along Syria's Mediterranean shore to fend off a potential Western-Turkish invasion by sea.

Last week, Russia airlifted to Syria 3 million face masks against chemical and biological weapons and the Admiral Kutznetsov carrier and strike group was sent on its way to Syria's Mediterranean port of Tartus.

DEBKAfile's military and intelligence sources report that the rush of Syrian war moves backed by Russia indicates that both believe a Western-Arab force is on the point of invading Syria.

They are keeping an eye especially on Turkey which is suspected of having obtained a NATO marine and air umbrella, including the US Sixth Fleet, for military preparations aimed at ousting Bashar Assad, so repeating the operation against Libya's Muammar Qaddafi.

War tensions around Syria rose alarmingly Thursday night, Dec. 15, when Turkey's top military council convened "to review the armed forces' preparedness for war" in response to the deployment of Syrian missiles, some tipped with chemical warheads, on their common border.

The Turkish army has prepared operational plans for seizing parts of northern Syria if the situation there continues to deteriorate. Those plans would essentially carve Syria into two entities, with the Turkish army holding the north and protecting opposition and civilian populations, while the Syrian army and Assad loyalists would remain in control of the central and southern regions.


Also see:

Syrian crackdown enters new phase

It's a race against time for Assad, now. With the rebel army growing in numbers and capabilities, it's only a matter of time before full scale civil war begins. Assad can only be sure of about 10% of his forces, which leaves a lot of doubt hanging in the air.
There have already been some high ranking military defections and we should expect more as the fighting intensifies. There's no endgame in sight yet, but the fat lady is warming up in the wings.


The video clip below gives the most recent update:

NATO Troops On Syrian Border

How about the "last word" on the OWS protests?

Occupy Wall Street: the Id of the Liberal Elite

Occupy Wall Street has never been about what the occupying young people have had to say. It has been about creating a window of opportunity for left-leaning commentators and political activists to seize control of the national conversation leading up to the November 2012 elections. It is meant to be the launching point for a revolution. And if the revolution has to turn violent, so be it.

Occupy Wall Street belongs less to the kids who are doing the occupying and more to folks like Van Jones, Robert Reich, Katrina Vanden Heuvel, Jeffery Sachs, and E.J. Dionne -- to organizations such as ACORN, SEIU, and a host of other leftist groups who have felt neutered by the Tea Party.

Promoting Occupy gives them a way to express themselves with more than just words; it is a means of engaging in vicarious violence, lashing out at those who stand in the way of advancing their ideology. They are perfectly happy to overlook all of the occupiers' extreme behavior because it is an expression of their contempt for the recent resurgence of populist conservatism.

This rising conservatism represents an existential threat to the Axis of Liberal Power in this country, which continues to reel from the powerful blows of the elections of 2009, 2010, and 2011. Liberal elites are now determined to wage an ugly war in 2012 in order to prevent what could be a fatal blow to their position of power in Washington, D.C. While the presence of Occupiers has diminished with the onset of cold weather, they will no doubt return with greater force next spring and intensify through the summer.

Through Occupy Wall Street, liberal elites reveal who they are deep down inside and how they would behave if they themselves were free to cast aside all societal restraint. Their unwavering support and cheerleading for the Occupiers prove that they are comfortable with some level of both anarchy and tyranny if either will bring about their impossible utopian vision for the United States of America. Many seem to be longing for a "Kent State" or "Tiananmen Square" moment to win public sympathy and spark the revolution.

The big story concerning Occupy Wall Street is not about the protesters. It's about the media, pundits, public- and private-sector unions, and other elites whose ideological contempt breathes life into the movement.

48 comments:

Alice said...

Hi Scott...I'm sure you've seen this... What do you think about the supposed "changes"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/us/politics/obama-wont-veto-military-authorization-bill.html?_r=1

Nathan said...

Scott , great point yesterday about the ramifications of Iraqi airspace ...Now , for a little bit of a sideshow , I want you guys on here to try an expirement in Biblical truth . This is pertaining to "you will be hated in my name in the last days" ...Go on a Yahoo message board or Msn or Whatever and find an article about religion or Israel or even Tim Tebow , and write something positive about Christ or religion . Say something positive or qoute scripture and watch the content of replies ? You'll be amazed at what gets thrown back in your face in the comment sections ? You will be treated as if you are the Devil himself for sticking up for what is right . Keep in mind for 1950 years you were consider an idiot for not believing in God and in just 60 years its the exact opposite :)

Mrs.C said...

OP detour.......

Just thought I would embarrass the LOML Mr.C with this...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Now back to your regularly scheduled Prophecy :)

WVBORN56 said...

Happy Birthday Caver. God Bless!

Nathan, I occasionaly do "battle" in comment sections and on secular message boards. You are correct, anything Christian is villified and attacked. I like to try and show both love and truth when I responsed

Nathan said...

LOL ,wvborn ,Its frusterating isnt it ? I consider it a battle too . Kind of a losing battle but at least we're doing what is right . Oh well , I'm always comforted with these words :"Do not fear these things must come to pass"...I'm just trying to do my good christian deed :) God Bless Bro :)

thriftomama said...

Oh Caver-Happy Birthday brother! My grandma always said when good is called evil, and evil is called good...that is when the time is close at hand :) the window of opportunity is closing quickly on many fronts. Be prepared and be of good cheer! He knows what he is doing! Just look at how things are lining up world wise. whoooooo serious business guys. So Im just trying to trust him as much as I am able, and grow that trust deeper daily. I really dont think it will be much longer, but Im still not so sure we are getting out of here before it gets a little crazy and Im trying to prepare myself in case that is true. Mostly emotionally and spiritually, physically its a little more difficult. Love you all. Keep looking up! Maranatha!

DrWho said...

Scott- I liked your observation about Iraqi airspace as well. That airspace is a two-way street.

I still expect the first shot to be heard in Syria. We are targeting foreign countries for "future crimes" and the NDAA allows for the detention of US citizens for "future crimes" as well. We should not relish what is done in our name in the ME as it will be done hear soon enough.

Pray and serve while you still can.

Dylan said...

Happy birthday caver! Hope it's a good one.

I agree with dr who about syria firing the shot. It seems with all the pressure on Assad, he has to attempt save his own hide soon. Also, Canada is now also urging their citizens to get out of Syria.

Dutch Treat said...

Happy Birthday Caver. Just ermember what Satchel Paige once said: " Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind, it don't matter.Nathan, WV: It sure sounds like losing battles; but the war has already been won through the shed blood of Jesus.

Caver said...

Hi Everybody, thanks so much for the warm wishes. A little surprised the Lord has left me here for 64 of these but hope there's a big trumpet call and loud "Poof" before the next one.

Listening to Lindsey Williams the other night and he agrees with most of this....
1. Syria first
2. Then Saudi Arabia
Then...
3. Iran..but with a twist. TPTB are trying to slowly intimidate Iran and hold Israel back so as to make Iran fire the first shot.

The war is scheduled for Sep/Oct next year. Reason....they want and need Obama to stay in office to finish bringing us down. No sitting president has ever been voted out during a crisis so they want the crisis about election time.

Interesting times folk.

Dave Down Under said...

Hi all, if I may just quikly jump in here and say that I will no longer be posting on this forum.
I have enjoyed the fellowship of ninety nine percent of you and my spiritual experience has been enriched as a result.

I musy say though being an administrator of a site such as this must be a daunghting task and as a result keeping on track with all conflicts must be difficult. The level of conflict's have risen dramatically over the past few months and as result I have lost my sense of peace and no longer feel it appropriate or safe to contribute to the mostly good work of the comments section of this forum. It's a crying shame that a dominant personality on this forum has been allowed to continue their destructive path of tearing down anyone who disagrees with their beliefs. And anyone who does disagree is propmptly "put in their place". I was hoping that some of the more mature ladies of the forum would have made a move by now and lovingly silenced this person in Jesus name (a few have stood up to this person though ).

For me this is not because of one particular incident, but has been building over time. I have found myself changing and mimicking the behaviour of this person and I do not like what I am becoming. This however is because of flaws in my personality and certain imaturities in which Jesus is dealing with at the moment.

I assure you this post is not an "attention seeking" exercise but is the result of genuine greviences. It's also designed to explain my upcoming abscence.

Scott continue the good work as I'll be enjoying your stories and looking forward to the coming of Christ.

WRT the discipline of the site Scott, may I suggest you appoint the most senior male and female contributors as "discipline guardians". May I suggest they should be mature Christians who are aware of the works of satan and can detect it in the wording of your contributors and through prayer and long time exposure will be able to silence the person with firm love.

I'll miss my new friends in America but I will see you all in heaven.

Dave DU

Mrs.C said...

Dearest Brother Dave, :)
No ya dont Brother...we have to finish the race together! You Brother are not going anywhere, ok? You are a delight Brother, and your light shines here when things get a wee little dark! Your welcome to email me if your like, ok? MrsCaver@yahoo.com
I have to scoot right now, cooking Mr.Cs surprise din din! But Ill be back in a little bit, ok? Oh Brother Scott...where are you?!

God Bless You Brother! BIG HUGGGG

Caver said...

Brother Dave DU,

We need you here brother. And we hear you.

Don't bug out on us...things will get righted.

You are a spot of light on this little blog and in this family.

Scott said...

Alice: Exactly what I would have expected. No way he would veto this kind of power grab. Its funny that initially (after congress passed the bill) we were told that Obama would veto it and I recall thinking "no way he'll veto this" - indeed. This is very scary.

Caver's Birthday? ....Tell him I have a DVD for him:)

Dave. Sorry to hear that. Its been a joy having you around. I hope you can find a way to hang around. I believe we will always have differences with Christian brothers and sisters; we have to find ways of dealing with it - but I understand.

I agree with Caver - "don't bug out" !

Diane said...

I am sure that you have had a happy birthday, Caver, with your dear Mrs C.

I, too, look back over my life and am amazed. The Lord was with me, even when I thought He had left me. He has turned so much of what I thought was bad, into good.

It is kind of like looking at the back side of an embroidered sampler: all knots and uneven, not pretty at all.
Yet, when you turn the sampler over, it is so beautiful.
We only see the wrong or back side of the sampler (our lives) , but God is making it into something beautiful.

I would also like to add my voice to the others, to ask Dave not to leave. I rarely post, but do read the comments. I can imagine you speaking with your Aussie accent!

Whatever you decide, blessings to all. Diane

Robin said...

I'm late to the party but wish you a very blessed Birthday Caver.

Dylan said...

Dave, don't go. Scott, is it just me or have things slowed down in the last few days?

Nathan said...

Dylan , I think its funny that you think things have slowed down . I was just thinking that myself . It's funny because it's only been like 3 days of non-world insanity :) The big Earthquakes are making a comeback (6.0 and higher) . Maybe we're entering an in between stage of birth pangs .Contraction release then harder contraction ? Also, whose the comment board bully running Dave Down under off ? Thats a shame (I hope you comeback or stay Dave)....Goodnight and God bless all the good people on here .

Nathan said...

Oh yeah Caver , if you get a chance watch : Wesley Clark speaks out on youtube . He was running for President about 10 years ago and talks about being pulled in by some CIA friends and told about which countries we were going to go after (This was before the Iraq war) I believe it was in 2002 (?) Listen to the list of countries he speaks of then put two and two together over the course of the last decade . Its pretty amazing . Oh P.s Is it me or does Lindsay Graham take about 17 minutes before he gets to the point .

DrWho said...

Caver- Happy Birthday! I hope you have a great day.

DrWho said...

Dave- Please don't give up on us. We are all flawed and that is why Jesus died for us. If we all got what we deserved from our actions on this planet we would all be in Hell.

God is able to show us more love and grace than we are capable of showing to our fellow Christians. Jesus knew that and told us to love each other.

So, it is easy for us to not kill and rob from banks. The 10 Commandments are sometimes easier for us to follow than simply loving people created in God's image. This is sad but true.

We all want to serve God perfectly, but we fall short. The Holy Spirit working through us can overcome our flaws and God will be glorified.

So, if God was reading your post, would you still push the button? Guess what... He does. (and so does the NSA :-) )

God Bless all you from another flawed Christian saved by Grace.

Anonymous said...

Hello Dave (and to any it may concern.)

Dave, man’s philosophy tells us to run away from the conviction of the Holy Spirit. It is uncomfortable when God put’s His finger on an area in our lives HE wants to deal with, and will, but only IF we willingly cooperate.

Psycho-heresy is rife in the Church. Your problem isn’t with me or anyone else Dave, it is the worldview that is driving you from God’s view.

God’s will be done!

Psycho-heresy points away from God to SELF. It is driving people away from the Life giving Word into the adoration of our own thoughts, feelings and emotions, pushing God away from the centre of our being to the periphery.

Reading the Bible is not life-changing. It is the application of God’s Word to our daily life; that will remove mountains.
Would you know peace and love at any coast, whatever it takes?
Then think on Jesus’ Words in Matt 10:34

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came NOT to send peace, but a sword.”

The Sword is His Word, and living in obedience to Him, who is the Word, will bring Peace with God, and His Love, that surpasses everything the world gives or the counterfeit the apostate church presents.

Jesus said in vs. 38 "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
39. “He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it…

Those who SUFFER for Christ (deny self) will reign with him as joint heirs. Who these will be is decided at the Judgment Seat of Christ. It’s here we are given rewards or suffer loss. NOT, the loss of Salvation, we are all heirs of God, but will not rule with Christ in His Millennium Kingdom on earth. Our lives here on earth is the training ground,
Romans 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

PLEASE read the following link.

“The Spoiling of Christianity by Psychology” by Pastor David L. Brown, Ph.D.

http://logosresourcepages.org/Counseling/spoiling.htm

Your sister in Christ, in His Love and His Truth who is Expected Imminently.
Maranatha!
Sue

Caver said...

Nathan said...
"P.s Is it me or does Lindsay Graham take about 17 minutes before he gets to the point ."

Chuckling...Nathan, I believe you were referring to Pastor Lindsey Williams...and the answer is an unqualified YES!

He can drive folks Nuts. He can't start a sentence without visiting about 6 paragraphs before putting a period on it. Have been following his predictions for years and there are 2 common characteristics:
1. He is almost always dead on, even with the most unlikely of scenarios. The man IS TIED IN to the shadows shaping our worldly events and future.
2. He drives you nuts and the stock price of Valium up before you understand what he's saying.

Expected Imminently said...

Hello Caver
Belated birthday greetings for yesterday - sorry to miss the day, I went shopping for England!

God bless you and the Mrs.
Sue
(hugs)

Caver said...

Hi all and I thank the latest Well Wishers. The Lord blessed us with a beautiful, unseasonably warm, day. MrsC blessed me with a special cut of stake she had to import from the Left Coast and banana cream pie with almonds. Yummmmm.....the only complaints are from the top button of my pants.

Scott, we gotta transfer that DVD this week ....., and thank you! Way too much going on to be holding out on each other...least it be obsolete before transfer and full analysis. :chuckle


Ya know, have been a prophecy watcher for about 9 years now and I'm shocked and amazed. First, never expected to be here this late into the end times.....well, maybe hoped is the better word but expected is true too.

Second, never expected ancient prophecy fulfillment to be as precise and literal as it is. Geepers, these folk are using the exact phrases, words, symbols...how can we miss it?

Third, never expected to see this extent of blindness.....total and complete blindness, as we're seeing.

Finally, I guess because I never expected us to be here this long...I never considered the effect and overwhelming emotions it brings as we see EVERYTHING coming together at the same time.

Really, you almost have to back away a few steps before sensory overload occurs. Still, the blind just can't see it.

GG said...

Dear Scott~

I too have made a decision to fully step aside from partaking in the activities that have continued to transpire on this board. My health is primary but what has transpired this week is cutting me in ways I can no longer be a party to. I love your site, I love you for allowing all walks of life and personalities to come forth and walk in fellowship with you. It has been a wonderful time, though hard on most days lately it has been great to see others pull together like a family in the body of Christ to help one another.

My deepest apologies go out to everyone for this outburst this week through Stephens serious situation. I should have the ability to rise above the foolish behavior, but I too am flawed in this area and feel like this power of evil is higher than I can bear, especially with all the medical issues I have going on. It is producing foolish behavior by many and ultimately making a mockery of Gods will for our lives through your board. This could classify as folly. :)

I really have searched my heart on this and while I do forgive Sue, I can't partake in these cruel actions that started months ago. I come away from your blog irritable and with a warped sense of thinking and here is why...

While continuing to put words in people's mouths about what they intend, that is not knowing the heart of the person nor where they are in their walk with Christ, is self defeating. To add claim that this is what God wants out of us each and every day like we don't know; that does add to the presumptions and assumptions that we are not sitting faithfully in Christ as it keeps getting pounded to one daily. We are there, I promise. Because we don't say the magic words in her format, one continues to be berated, which is an abusive and honestly abusive of power. The Lord is not abusive and that is what this is representing on many levels.

I understand and have sat back quietly, maybe too long, on what she is saying about false teachings, mollycoddling as she calls it, etc. There is a greater problem here and that is we have someone, who is not trained to go out and properly teach though it is helpful, is lacking the fundamentals of leadership, the proper skill sets for such an undertaking while creating, unknowingly false teachings. That is just as serious of a problem as false doctrine. It takes many years to properly study and learn theology at the various institutes. In addition to learning, one learns how to minister to one's soul properly and even then they fall short, especially in these last days. It's a calling, not a right. One must encompass all that a servants heart and calling entails.

I say this not to add another hurt, not at all, but because as a teacher there has to be a full and well rounded thought process, followed with grace and love, and staying in the word of God (which is not the problem here) but producing the results of the Word. I know I am not saying this right because even as I type this, I fear another attack coming from Sue, which makes me have to either operate under her mindset or be verbally attacked, for that it is not worth it.

I am posting this morning because I believe we have lost sight of why God has blessed your site so. To watch people come and go over the last few months and call it's reasoning a lack of the Lord, or Faith or complete understanding, is also a great attack on our walk and personal relationship with Christ. It's one thing for us to seek and be told, but to be berated is horrible. It cannot lift one up and continue producing good fruit, but is doing the opposite and shriveling one up with a beaten up and dried out spirit.

These teachings that they speak of apply in many ways. We have many sleeping in the body of Christ. We have many having their ears 'tickled' for the church home to keep their flock. This is not the will of God, I agree. We are to be moved from babes to maturity in Christ. We are to be serving God better than this in these last days.

GG said...

Con't

—Renouncing Irreligion or Ungodliness
Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. (II Timothy 2:14-16)

Renouncing ungodliness appears here in an interesting context. People in the congregation were getting into heated discussions about genealogies, meanings of words and technicalities of law. Paul called this ungodliness (or irreligion) and instructed Timothy to shun such things. These brethren had missed the point of God's way of life which Paul says is righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Spirit (Romans 14:17). Being technically correct about a minor point is not as important as building right relationships through kindness, forgiveness, service and sensitive concern for others.

The word also appears in Romans 1:18-32 within a broad denunciation of obvious ungodliness, shown as the fruit of an unholy marriage of idolatry and immorality. When grace truly comes into a person's life, he must consciously repudiate and utterly reject ungodliness. That is, he must rid himself of the leaven of those sins. It will not happen all at once, but one must make a consistent effort in that direction.

This is an excerpt from this site below. I will provide another link so many can get what I am trying to say that may not be coming out quite right.

http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/PERSONAL/k/478/Five-Teachings-of-Grace.htm
http://www.letusreason.org/Doct56.htm

GG said...

(con't)

I chose to step up to act regarding a life on your blog, which again is something I HEAR and act, I am called acting in the flesh. Where is the compassion of another? We all know the cross works both ways. While I commend Sue's undying passion and love for the Lord in these last days, we must remember the cross runs both ways. Picture not only the up and down movement which is the personal relationship between us and God through Christ but the side to side which are his children, his chosen people to travel in through those tiresome roads so they can learn to move in the body of Christ with Love and Grace all the while learning. What Sue is doing here is making her of no earthly good and that is not what God desires out of us.

I hope many will see what I am saying with Love, not malice. We not only must separate from false doctrine, we must separate from false teachings. In its proper, God breathed, God Spoken, context. Right now we have man taking Gods word and slicing it up with unknown intent and slapping it back down on the brethren with a heavy hand, thus creating division and a heavier heart. The only one sitting in these last days laughing, is the evil one. He has taken a platform that was built for one thing and slowly, piece by piece, destroyed its home. That is sad and with the holidays coming up, it's time to turn back to the Lord more than ever and get in the spirit of Love.

I have never come to a place and allowed anyone to TELL me what my relationship with Christ is. We have a wonderful network up here of all denominations but even in our church home, we delve into the word greatly and the delivery is never, ever this hurtful or mean-spirited and labeled something God told the lost as well as the saved. There are big gaps in these teachings, therefore, it should be by a true professional who encompasses ALL that God is, not one point of view in a posting that on many days one can't tell where the thoughts are coming from. Sue has led us before to L&L and there is the same pattern, but a gentler side of herself than here. Over there they are seasoned in delving deeper into the word. I commend them, but they operate with a level of respect and are all on the same level of teachings over there. On this site you have many ages and stages and the life is quickly getting stomped out of them, while trying to drive the point home.

GG said...

I love you all. I will continue my work with the Lord, but I just can't be a party to this. I don't know what Stephen needed on that day, but I am glad and proud to say I love this brother enough to find out and not assume the worst in him. In a matter of hours all our lives could have changed if he would have went through with it. Seriously, changed. The police would have needed to start somewhere and the evidence of behavior on both parts here would have certainly given them just cause to look into each of our personal lives and roles in someone's suicide attempt or cry.

We all read daily how many parents are killing their kids, how many kids are taking their lives, how many spouses just can't take it and end it all. We hear about parents pounding and hammering their children as the innocent child looks up at them in their understanding, but since it is not enough that parent pushes harder, yells more, and beats them. That is what it feels like here lately and I know that is not what you are about. While using this analogy and having someone come up and tell me that we must continue to treat Gods children in this manner so they can "learn" is warped. That is how I come up with my thinking on this. We are all children of God. He knows are differences and he assigns us parents to be good stewards of his precious children, not destroy them. I understand that there will be some unruly children so to speak in the bunch, but that doesn't mean the whole group of children have to suffer, because the parent didn't hear the magic words of acknowledgement from that child. Again, that is an abusive, militant style, and not for my heart or walk with Christ.

We should be pulling together and not coming apart. I love you all and will see you on the other side. I have some that I am already in contact with here and I look forward to those continued friendships privately. I too am stating this is not about attention seeking, quite the contrary; I am honoring my Father and detaching, in love from this gruesome behavior and teachings that is not in his divinely lead-full contextual teachings as it should be . I trust all my outstanding questions and concerns will lovingly be addressed and heard by my Father upon my arrival home. Merry Christmas All!

Happy belated birthday, Mr C.!

Dave and Stephen, please take extra care of yourselves and I look forward to meeting you all.

God Bless!!

GG

Expected Imminently said...

Dave said “… may I suggest you appoint the most senior male and female contributors as "discipline guardians…”

Oer and oops! That means E.I. and DrNofog are among the front runners in that plan ;)

We are both a bit cagy about our natural birth ages, and that’s false pride on my part, I fear. However my age in Christ is just over 60years, so I have passed my ‘Diamond Jubilee’ – hopefully I don’t have much longer to go DV.

Although I am an English mongrel; all my worthwhile Bible tuition has come from the good old faithful and generous U.S.A, predominately via Dallas teachers before it went orf the rails. Walking in The Holy Spirit via His Word has been a lifelong learning curve, and still learning as we never ‘arrive’ …

My credentials in The Lord is ‘Watchman’ which I readily accepted having absolutely no idea what that would mean, but have since found out it is a position loathed by the church in general - not popular you see, as we have to be willing to be disliked for warning against false teaching by those who prefer to be cosseted with lies and deceptions. It means a lot of lost sleep with tears, and I get plenty of that!

Out of interest, a Watchman’s equipment is a working knowledge of The Word; so no need to worry about being given that job if learning God’s Word hasn’t been no.1 priority in life.

I am like Scott in that I loathe confrontation – hate it, but I was told that my forehead would be made like flint against the protesters; and so it has proved, in spite of my acute sensitivity and vile depression that has dogged me all my life. Part of the training I suppose.

It has been helpful to be blessed by a good sense of humour, thank The Lord, I laugh at myself and don’t take ‘me’ very seriously at all and often pray – Lord who do I think I am! ‘Your mine’ He whispers ‘and doing as I tell you (most of the time)’. So I keep short accounts with The Lord, knowing I am a sinner, to stand by His Grace obeying 1John 1:9.to remain in fellowship with our Heavenly Father. I shall soon find out how I have done at the Bema, not long now.

Among the gifts The Holy Spirit has worked in me includes the ‘Discerning of spirits’, years of experience there, so presumably that’s another tick in the box for a job I am not keen to take on as yet another brick-bat against my old head. Whatever The Lord wants, by His Grace, I will do it like it or loathe it.

Praise The Lord and Maranatha!
Sue

Caver said...

Several of you have indicated...either by comments here or email...a desire for Mrs C to weigh in on the subject of discussion.

She will....she's spent considerable time putting it together and I believe we will each benefit from it....already we have both been humbled and grown simply by preparation on the subject for quite some time.....weeks really, but especially now.

It is coming....

Expected Imminently said...

Hello GG

Just to say that my post was not in answer to your latest contribution. I was thinking aloud after reading Dave's comment.

I absolutely am NOT a teacher, in any way, neither do I pretend otherwise. I am only a witness to The Word and recognise when it is being taken out of context and abused to prove a faulty theory.

It’s interesting to be accused of being like a child beater; thank God He knows the truth. Also that in all the responses to poor old Stephen, (who in my view is really a naughty 'little fox') that everyone else was wrong, only you had it right - had you thought about that? You really don’t have the monopoly on caring GG!

For your own sake, and your walk with Jesus, please don't use your illness as an excuse for bad behaviour; just recognise it’s the old sin nature rising to the fore and needs dealing with. If we don’t do this, then we are out of step with The Holy Spirit and out of fellowship with our Heavenly Father which means He will not hear us when we pray.

I say this as an old girl who has learned this lesson the hard way; if only someone had told me the facts of the Christian life. This is what I have tried to do for you and others, to save yourself pain and learn from my many mistakes.

Please be assured that I hold no ill feeling toward you whatsoever – or anyone else for that matter; I recognise all too well the difficulties of resisting the ‘old man’ and walking with The Holy Spirit to change us to be like Jesus.

Sue

Alice said...

Mr C, a belated happy birthday to you! Your dinner and pie last night sound...well...dare I say - HEAVENLY! :)

DaveDU and GG, I understand your position but selfishly wish you would reconsider.

I wish that everyone here would realize that an online forum in ANY format is NOT the place to decide or judge one's walk with our Lord - let alone the nuances of personalities (I am personally shocked at the labeling of "a naughty little fox" above). As has been stated many times before, there is soooo much lost in the written word, and so much that can be improperly inferred.

That is all that I am going to say on the subject. Please everyone, let's lift each other up and love each other - and support Scott who selflessly gives of his time to show us God's Word being fulfilled each day.

Love to all and Maranatha!

Alice

Helen said...

Belated Happy Birthday Mr. C!

I know I am very new here, (LOL, almost non-existant) but, I just want to offer one thing if I may.

For years, I too was so HARD on people. Thinking I was doing what the Lord wanted me to do.

But one day....I was lead to the Scripture 1 Corinthians 13:2
“2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.”

Yes, I have read this Scripture many many times….but it was quickened to me in a way that I have never SEEN it before.

And, the Lord is continuing the work in me, “To love one another, as He loves us”.
I just hope this will help someone….I know it helps me. 

Diane said...

Well, IE, I am even older than you, but I am not sure that maturity in years was what was meant.

Part of the problem might be the countries and areas of individual countries from which we come. The Brits , as well as northern Americans , are usually pretty "straight forward."

On the contrary, we in the southern USA tend to "beat around the bush" more, as my sis in law states.

Just sayin'. Diane

Diane said...

Well, IE, I am even older than you, but I am not sure that maturity in years was what was meant.

Part of the problem might be the countries and areas of individual countries from which we come. The Brits , as well as northern Americans , are usually pretty "straight forward."

On the contrary, we in the southern USA tend to "beat around the bush" more, as my sis in law states.

Just sayin'. Diane

Scott said...

Diane - thats really a good point about the differences in region and SO true about the "southern USA"....You know what they say about a southern church ---> you can say anything about anybody as long as you add "Bless his/her heart" :)

Diane said...

Right, Scott, and sorry about the double post above :)

Can't you tell I'm from the south ?! LOL Diane

Mrs.C said...

Oh my goodness, this is very sad to read all this! I love you all! The enemy certainly knows his time is short, especially when he uses our smallest of weaknesses to attack each other, and then he attempts to grow those weaknesses!
The Internet can be used for good, but it can also be used for evil. For example, folks are led into the deception, that they can say or post whatever they like without consequence. The door for deception is very wide open, for both Believers and non Believers alike. It also can entice and deceive Brothers and Sisters with a kind of power, that is a false power. Again, naively believing there are no consequences, when there are very much consequences. Maybe not here on earth, but one of these days, very soon, before the Lord.
Rudeness and lack of compassion, has no excuse with any of us, none. There are some here that suffer with the infirmities of serious illnesses, both mental and physical and NONE are more or less important than the other. We should be embracing our Brothers and Sisters with patience, understanding, and love, as this is the Fruit of the Spirit! Some folk may need to be “tough”, because to be “emotional”, would let the finger out of the dike of control for them. If face to face in Church, would we speak to each other the way we do? I think not, and that is part of the deception of the Internet.

Gods Word is powerful, and is a “two-edged sword”. But our words are not to be cutting, whether it be to a stranger or a Brother and Sister. We will be Judged be held accountable for our words, whether spoken or written. Jesus, is here with each of us this very moment, and knows all that’s in our hearts and what is said, written, thought. We all need to meditate on His Words, before we hit the “send” key!

Matthew 12:34-37
34.O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.35.A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.36.But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Romans 14:10-12
10.But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.11.For it is written:
“ As I live, says the LORD,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

Brother Scott was led to establish this blog. He was obedient, and God has Blessed and grown it. No surprise that the enemy would attack both from without and within. The “within” is always the most painful! Brother Scott, I love you Brother, and if I may say, sometimes Brother you remind me of Moses. He wasn’t comfortable in the position God gave him, and was saying to God that he couldn’t possibly speak to the crowd. Well God led him, and was with him Brother Scott, and he is with you too! Whether comfortable or not Brother, you now have a crowd, and God trusts you to lead them. :)

Mrs.C said...

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Brother Scott established this site as a blog, not a message board. There are no rooms or sections, for such as “Prayer” or “Apostasy” etc. Believe me, I have seen some pretty ugly dialogues (if you could call them that) between Mods and inquisitive posters, in those “Apostasy” sections on message boards. Whew just plain ugly, and a cringe factor to witness. Jesus could care less about denominations, and I believe some people will be shocked to discover this when they stand before Him. Denominations in Heaven? Nada, none, zip, not gonna happen! It is a matter of the heart. Many are Saved without a tutorial on doctrine. Mods at a certain site for example, have been deluded by their own sense of false power on the Internet, to the point of cultish behavior, and know longer see the Truth of His Word, but are condemning themselves with their own words and actions. There seems to be so much confusion (guess where confusion comes from) out there now a days with Christians. Its either extreme legalism, folks convinced they are “fighting for God”, or the complete opposite, any thing goes “all religions lead to God” etc.the list goes on. The never ending journey of seeking of “Knowledge” in His Word is of course wonderful; however there can be a tendency by our Brothers and Sisters to enter into legalism. The lure and enticement of “knowledge” began way back in the Garden, and remains an enticement for some. Down this path of seeking “knowledge”, they can sometimes lead them away from the Lord, instead of bringing them closer to Him. It grows slowly, so that the obtaining of “knowledge” becomes boastful and more important than a relationship with Him. In other words, you can recite the whole Bible, but that doesn’t mean you know God. You can “know” all about Him, yet you don’t “know” HIM! However there are indeed many false teachings out there today, and many are misleand.
Example, one esteemed “teacher” referenced here, I heard for myself a year ago or so, heart breakingly bought into some of these false teachings, even worse it was in exchange for his own self promotion. You could even hear this “teacher” kinda squirm while he attempted to carefully choose his words that could leave wiggle room for him to come back latter and deny that he endorsed this false teaching. But the fact is, he got his promotion out there, and by just engaging this person, gave the good impression of his endorsement of his false teaching. Man is very fallible, no matter who they are, where and when we open Gods Word, and with guidance from His Holy Spirit, His Word will never fail us.

I felt led to share with you, a study I once read regarding the Fruit of the Spirit. Its good, a wee bit long, and Im kinda paraphrasing the original study. Im hoping this will help direct us, as to our purpose in these last days, as there are so many distractions while we head towards the finish line! Our Christian life is about knowing our Father in Heaven, His Son our Lord Jesus and bringing forth Fruit!

John 15:16
16.Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Romans 7:4
4.Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
When Jesus speaks in the parable of the sower, He speaks of four different types the hearing of the Word. The final one, is the one that is fruitful.

Matthew 13:23
23.But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Mrs.C said...

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God did not want us to Believe and just leave it at that, willy nilly – sail through life. Our fruitfulness matters to Him. God Created each one of us as a unique person, He Gifted US uniquely, and asked us to do one thing: to be fruitful. God has Gifted each of us, from the youngest to the oldest, poorest to the richest, uneducated to the educated. He has Gifted us ALL, and desires us to bear much fruit.

John 15:1-2
1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

John 15:8
8Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Wow! Look how much our Father loves us to be very fruitful! He takes the time to clean those who bear fruit up, to prune them so that they bring more fruit! Our Father doesn’t just want a bunch of branches hanging around fruitless, He wants full fruitful branches, that give to their full potential. We want to be a fruitful branch, blossoming and giving fruit in its fullness.
Fruit is a Christ centered life, as we have died to ourselves, so that Jesus will live through us. Galatians 2:19-20 We seek to please God, rather than ourselves or other people. A life whos central theme, focus and priority is God.

Galatians 5:22-25
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Jesus living with in us, produces the fruit. God has already prepared good works for us to walk. He has Gifted each one of us uniquely, and we are but trees planted already designed to bear fruit. All that we have to do is to walk in what God has already prepared.

Ephesians 2:10
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Peter tells us to be watchful in Prayer, have fervent love for one another, be hospitable without grumbling. He also tells us that we each received a gift from God.

1 Peter 4:7-10
7But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. 8And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 9Use hospitality one to another without grudging. 10As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.

As each of the body parts are unique and placed there with a function, so also each one of us: we have been placed by God in the body of Christ, the Church, and we have been gifted uniquely to function there. We are to minister to one another.

Mrs.C said...

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1 Corinthians 12:12-27
12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14For the body is not one member, but many. 15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked. 25That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Each one of us are expected to function in His Gift, ministering to one another. Peter tells us to get busy with what God has gifted you with. Get busy ministering according to your Gift. These words from Peter, are presupposing that we are in a living relationship with Jesus.

Philippians 1:9-11
9And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

The fruits of righteousness “are by Jesus Christ” NOT by our power. In addition their result is the Glory and Praise of God. As Jesus explains in John 15, HE is the VINE and we are the branches:

John 15:4-5,8
4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
8Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Only when we are abiding in the Vine, do we bring forth fruit, and Jesus is the Vine, not us! We are the branches, and cannot bear fruit unless we abide in the Vine. As we abide in Jesus, He will manifest, live through us, and produce fruit.
Ministering and pursuing the good works that God prepared for us is based on our relationship with our Lord Jesus, whom we want to please. The focus is not so much on the works themselves but in Christ, and through our relationship with Christ, as we are abiding in Christ, “by Jesus Christ” as Philippians said, the fruit is coming forth.

Scott said...

Very interesting and a great read. A lot to digest but thanks so much for all of it. ...I don't want to interrupt too much is more is coming :)

Mrs.C said...

Hi Brother Scott, )
Ok Brother, you don’t know it, but you, (as with some others) just confirmed another Holy Spirit moment! All Praise and Glory to you Father! Lord Jesus! Thank You Holy Spirit! I was pooped yesterday evening, which kinda clouded as to whether I had completed the post. The Holy Spirit was prompting me that I wasn’t, and here you are Brother with your comment.  Please forgive me, but there was one more portion of this, and that is the “Pruning”. If I may, I will now be obedient and complete the post :)
As a gardener since I was a wee little one, at the age of 5. I can still remember my first garden, with my Mom’s help to dig it, and the memories are precious to me. :) The wonderful smell of dark rich soil, and the careful planting of each seed. Then after the Spring rains, to behold the bountiful beauty of vibrant colors when those tiny seeds grew into a magnificent palate of fragrant blossoms! Its been many, many years since that time, and the love of gardening has never left me. :) When I read Gods Word, and in many Scriptures the Lord uses agriculture practices to explain His Message, I understand and with great Joy.
“Pruning” is a great and wonderful action of His Love! As with plants, from time to time it is necessary. All plants needs pruning, and all plants needs a Gardner that will prune it, direct its growth to the desirable way; and take care of its health. The Gardner will also remove the diseased parts and will cleanse it so that it brings more fruit. The same is true for us as branches of the Vine that is the Lord Jesus Christ. We also need “pruning”, and we have the most Loving Gardner to take care of it!

John 15:1-3
1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
It is our Father who takes care of the pruning, that is a necessity, for we cannot grow without it. He watches as a good and faithful Gardner, and He then intervenes, guiding our growth, removing obstacles and cleansing us so that we can produce more fruit! Praise God! My rose bushes used to be ok, average. One year I obtained instructions from a Master Garder as to how exactly to prune rosebushes in a careful, specific way. The next year, my rose bushes had so many blooms it was amazing, and most of all not even kidding, they grew to be 9’ tall!!! Our Father is our Master Gardner, and He knows just precisely how to prune us, so that we produce the most abundance of fruit! We produce fruit when abiding in Christ, but to reach our most abundance of producing fruit, our Loving Father takes care of that by pruning us. It is our job to abide in the Vine and it is the Father’s job to take care of any pruning that is necessary to increase our productivity.

Mrs.C said...

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Hebrews 12:11 can be telling us the same thing but with different words.

Hebrews 12:11
11Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

We hear His Word speak of “chastening”, and that it’s not “joyous” for the present, but rather “grievous”. The same could be said of “pruning”. A Gardner prunes, he has to cut pieces from the plant. He has to remove deceased parts, parts that withdraw life from the plant without being useful to it. The plant has now been changed, as the Gardner has intervened and cut it. Chastening is kind of the same, isn’t it? We chasten our children and we prune our plants. Both are done with the same goal: to make the children better, to make the plants more fruitful. When God chastens we His children this may for the present be “grievous” or painful, yet to those that take the lesson there is only one thing that will be produced and this fruit, peaceable fruit of righteousness as Hebrews tell us. After all God has to do this, because this is a job a Father that loves his kids very dearly, has to do. The lesson therefore is that, as plants have Gardeners to prune them, so that they make more fruit, so also we have our beloved Heavenly Father, who is in charge of the pruning business so that by abiding in Christ we bring even more fruit.

Are all personal relationships with Christ, with our Father the same? No, sadly some see God as a Judgmental lightning bolt throwing God, instead of a Loving Father that corrects us, and is also Just and True.
I will conclude with a story I witnessed live, coming from Iraq. It was an interview I saw with a Christian Brother in Bagdad I believe it was. A Christian reporter stopped an Iraqi Christian Brother on the street to interview him, which I will paraphrase. The Iraqi Brother was hesitant to even speak on camera, but the na├»ve Christian reporter, pushed him to do so. The Christian reporter said to the Iraqi Brother, “ so hey, why aren’t you standing here on the street corner handing out tracks and proclaiming loudly the Word Of God?”. The Iraqi Brother at first barely responded, and the insistent Christian report pushed the Brother to answer. The answer that this precious Iraqi Brother gave, has stayed with me all these years. He said simply, and quietly, “We can’t speak the Word of God in public, or we will risk being killed”. Finally a little deflated from the Iraqi Brothers answer, the Christian reporter replied “well, then how do you share the Gospel, Gods Word?”. The Iraqi Brother replied “it is difficult and dangerous to speak the Gospel here, it is our lives that speak His Word for us. We are constantly watched by many, and our lives demonstrate His Word to all”. The Christian reporter as I recall, could hardly respond to that.
We here in this Blessed wonderful nation, have not the fears that so many of our Brothers and Sisters around the world have. We are free to worship and speak His Word, at least, so far. Can we, my wonderful Brothers and Sisters say the same as our Brother in Iraq? Do our lives show the same, can someone look at our lives without a the spoken Word, and know that we are a Christian? Are we withering a bit on the Vine, or only producing a weak amount of fruit? We are in the final stretch of the race, and I hope and Pray for all of us, that even including a wee little bit of pruning from our Loving Father, that we all produce fruit abundantly for HIM! For HIS GLORY! Thank You Father, Thank You Lord Jesus, Thank You Holy Spirit! Amen
God Bless You All, In His Love, YSIC

Helen said...

Thank you Mrs. C. This was very good to read and to learn.

The story about the Christian in Iraq is very telling.

Sometimes I believe we as Christians, (particularly in American) need to study much more on humility and what the Lord says about being humble.

Blessings.

Mrs.C said...

Hi Sister Helen, :)
Thank you for your kind words, but truly the Holy Spirit gets the credit. :) You are exactly right Sis, about the lack of humility before God in this wonderful nation. Some of our Brothers and Sisters In Christ around the world, could put us to shame...
The teaching in His Word that He shows us about the Fruit,(thats the beginning post of this-a ways up lol), His wonderful Words, I am still joyfully processing! :)
God Bless You Sis!

Helen said...

Thank you again sis.... we are really blessed to read what the Lord has put on your heart. There is indeed a lot to digest there.

Only God's Word will speak to us. Nothing else will.

Still praying for our children to come to the saving knowledge of our Lord Jesus.