Monday, May 14, 2012

Iran Boasts U.S. Has Abandoned Israel

This report comes from Iranian sources as reported by WND:

There are multiple quotes from this article, but there is a lot of information which is very revealing:

Iranian outlets have been claiming recently the United States has been forced to bow before Iran on its nuclear program, demonstrating the West’s abandonment of Israel and paving the way for the Islamic regime to annihilate the Jewish state.

While restating that Iran will demand ever more in the upcoming second round of talks with the 5+1 nations to be held this month in Baghdad, the Iranian media are now boasting that Israel has been abandoned by its allies and is in a dire bind.

The editorial, written by Sadollah Zarei, a columnist for the hard-line paper, said that within the last three months, Israeli officials, after reports that America is on the verge of accepting the Iranian nuclear program, have made several trips to Washington, where on one trip they met for 10 days with U.S. officials to try to change President Obama’s decision to accept Iran’s nuclear program. They were unsuccessful.

“The West, which in the first (5+1) Istanbul talks would not recognize Iran’s nuclear program even if the 20 percent enriched material was sent out of the country, now before stepping into the Baghdad meeting has accepted Iran’s nuclear program without even getting an assurance on the 20 percent enrichment process,” Zarei said. “All of this is taking place in front of the horrified eyes of the Zionist regime.”

As a result, Israel is backed into a corner, alone without its allies, the editorial said.

Zarei concluded that Israel has been weakened drastically with what is happening in Egypt, which has collapsed part of Israel’s regional security.

“With diminishing support for Israel and with the (upcoming) collapse of the monarchy in Saudi Arabia,” Zarei claims, “there won’t be any obstacles left facing Iran with its policy of annihilation of Israel.”

Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi, one of the most influential clerics in the Islamic regime and possibly the next supreme leader, has stated that it is the duty of Muslims to destroy the “Zionist regime and its arrogant supporters.”

In any attack on Israel, only Israeli civilians who have opposed Israel’s “vicious crimes” should be spared, but the rest can be slaughtered, he said.

As WND has reported, the Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people.

The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide.

Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove “this corrupting material.

It is a ‘jurisprudential justification’ to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.”

There can be no mistaking Iran's agenda, yet world leaders conveniently forget the fact that Israel sits squarely in the crosshairs of Iran's nuclear ambitions. Iran isn't hiding their intentions, but the MSM continues to mask and cover these inconvenient facts - while world leaders continue to pretend that Israel isn't under the imminent threat of complete annihilation. At least Iran is being open and honest about their intent.


Dave DU said...

Scott an interesting article from 'what does it mean' about Russian troops massing on the Iranian border against America's military build up.

It seems war is imminent.


Ally said...

Scott-please go find this. The first part is about a dream, but rhe second part is about some stuff he feels the HS showed him. It sorta freaked me out because some of ut is what I had been shown. About Pentacost.
I would like for you to watch and tell me your thoughts. I really trust you! Could this really be it? (not setting the date, just really maybe are we THAT close? Whoaaaaaa.)
PS this kid who is doing the video hasn't been saved but maybe a year or so. He is really young but I think he might be on to something.
Utube Christsaves88 and the one to look at says Pentacost:

Anonymous said...

AND YET, no one KNOWS the day or the
hour Ally >>>>

I have said this many times >>>>

When people finally GIVE UP trying to
pick dates, then maybe HE will come back....for real !!!!

really, think about it, how could
anyone know ??? SCRIPTURE is very
very CLEAR about that.

Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Anonymous said...

NOW I am convinced that 27 MAY 2012
will be a NON EVENT....

too many people are speculating
about that date......!!!!


Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Scott said...

Dave - do you have a link for that? Sounds interesting

Ally - I'll take a look as soon as I get thru todays news update.

Many thanks :)

Anonymous said...

I have to agree with Stephen about that. It is kinda date setting which you should not do. I HOPE he is right, but many, many people have "theories" and "reasons" why the rapture will occur at different dates. NOONE knows the DAY or the hour, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON. It will be like the days of Noah...if people knew the date, it would not be like that

Ally said...

I have no way to send Scott a personal message. I would have preferred for him to look at this first and make a judgement call about this information and decide to allow it or not. Scott is a far better Biblical Scholar than I am!
However, if this serves no other purpose than to get people serious about getting right for God, I'm cool with that. It has just as much of a chance of happenning then as the other 364 days of the year!
He DID NOT SAY THE RAPTURE WOULD HAPPEN ON PENTACOST! He said PENTACOST IS A "HIGH WATCH DAY" for those who are looking. The Jewish Holy Days are always high watch days for me personally. Did you know there is a Jewish Holy Day that "no man knows the hour and the day"? That is because that Holy Day starts by a visual confirmation of the moon by 2 witnesses (i find the 2 witnesses interesting also). I look EVERYDAY for his coming!
There is nothing wrong with looking extra hard or praying more on certain days. And if you know your Bible History, you know God does give warnings to his people before rhings happen ie. Noah, Lot etc. Why? So they can get ready!
Peronally, I think we are going to be here until at least Jan. Just because I think the Dec. 21 hype is a satanic mind trick and we will be here to pray against deception etc. I also think we will see the stock market crash, a nuclear device go off simewhere in the world and the disintigration of this nation before we get out of here but hey, thats just me. Thats not written in the Word so its just my opinion! But people who have known me a long time, know I'm highly accurate with my world scenario predicting. Folks, you don't have to be a rocket scientist or Bible scholar or a secret agent to see whats going on in the M.E. Right now.
But still, at least half the church is sleeping! Zzzzzzz. You think all the Christians are making the rapture? Read the parable of the 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins. I hope I make the cut.
I hope Scott and WV are right about soon. I have never seen anyine more expectant than WV! I always imagine him waking up each morning thinking "I'm still here? Maybe after breakfast he's coming!"
Sorry for the rant. I love you all!
I am no one without Christ Jesus! I owe all to him!

Alice said...

Dear Ally, I'm with you on this one, Sister! All of the Jewish Feasts are extra important watch days (especially Pentecost and the Feast of Trumpets), and this fellow is not the first to point to Pentecost this year. Many watchers will be watching Pentecost EXTRA closely!

Here's an article that J.R. Church wrote in March of 2011 - just before he went home to be with the Lord. He clearly believed Pentecost was a day to watch (he was VERY hopeful for Pentecost 2011). However, remember he was very ill at the time he wrote this, so I'm sure that he was extra hopeful that the rapture would happen before his illness took him home.

Watching and praying!


Anonymous said...

Regarding the issue of not knowing the hour, consider the following
1. was Jesus talking about Rapture or Second Coming? mat 25:13
2. was Jesus speaking in parables?luke 12:41
3. are we the watchful servant (luke 12:37-44) or the mean servant who know not the hour (luke 12: 45-46)?
4. if we are a watchful servant then " if the goodman of the house had KNOWN what hour the thief would come...luke 12:39 he would have watched and not suffered his house to be broken.
5. Are we the children of darkness or of light that the day will overtake us as a thief 1thes5:4-5.
6. Are we the unrepentant/unwatcful Church that we will not know the hour?
Rev 3:3Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Anonymous said...

We can and do know the times and seasons, we will not know the day. There is a big difference. We know by the signs the day is approaching, drawing nearer, because we are not in darkness. However, just like Noah did not know the exact day, we also, seeing the signs, preparing ourselves, we will be ready. Those who are close to Jesus will not be taken unawares as they will be ready because they see the day approaching...WHENEVER the Lord chooses is okay by me though, I truly believe it will be this year, if not this year then very soon after. Cant wait to see you all in heaven!

Anonymous said...

The disciples expected Jesus to return in their day. The rapture is imminent, so a future watch for it destroys an any moment now event. The Pentecost theory is more date setting using a different tactic.

Dave DU said...

Hi Scott,
If you go to, What Does It you'll find the story on the their home page.


Anonymous said...

paul letter to the thessalonians is this;
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand,

The Church is at the same scenario were we look for that blessed hope. Paul then reminds them and us in
vs 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
the difference however is at that time Israel was not yet born.
Now we watch for this falling away first? any of you guys knows what this mean?

Ally said...

Wow, great stuff guys! Fantastic! Awesome questions, musings and answers. Can't wait for Scott's take!
To the last anon with the falling away question.....i don't have a concordance with me but I think that the word harpazo is used there. If it is used, the meaning is slightly different than "falling away" it more like snatched up or removed. Certainly the way Paul used it in that conversation would lead you to believe he thought we would be out of here before the a.c is revealed. Scholars, your turn.

Scott said...

As far as "falling away" there are two options. Additionally, we have to look at the context of that letter from the apostle Paul.

Paul was attempting to clarify that they were NOT in the Tribulation at that time. That is a key point.

Its also important to remember that every bible version prior to the KJV used the term "departure" rather than "falling away"

So...One option is that "falling away"/"Departure" means a "falling away" from the faith.

The second option is that the meaning is "departure" as in "Rapture"...So which is it?

Well, I do find it compelling that "departure" (as we would use the term - ie, 'physical departure' was written by the early church before an inexplicable change by the KJV.

Perhaps more importantly is the following:

---> Paul was attempting to comfort them that they were NOT living in the midst of the Tribulation.

If he was attempting to clarify that - then why would he use "Falling away in faith" to describe the fact that they weren't in the Tribulation?

Because we know that apostasy/falling away in faith was rampant at that time - in that specific area. So how would that be comforting or reassuring to them? It would actually argue that they WERE in the Tribulation ///// See the point here?

This couldn't have been comforting nor reassuring, and it certainly wouldn't have been something unique that they could say "Oh, ok - well we don't have THAT now (aostasy etc) - so we're safe from the Trib..."

Actually, they would have said "Hey, we ARE experiencing a 'falling away' - OH NO - we must be in the Trib after all!

BUT - if he meant (appropriately) - there has to be a physical departure (aka Rapture) first - before the Tribulation, then that WOULD have been consistent with the CONTEXT of the whole letter and it would mae perfect sense.

For these reasons, I believe its a physical departure he spoke of - aka the Rapture of the CHurch

Anonymous said...

to scott,
just to be clear of some facts here
1. paul is not referring to the tribulations, but of their letter that Christ is at hand.
(you can interpret it that they are in the tribulations, but let us just stay with the fact)
2. the greek translation of falling away is "apostasia" which means falling away from truth (your first option), not kjv or any other early translation.
3. mat 24:24 speak of coming deceptions or we can say falling away from truth/rev 13 further speaks of deception and the man of sin
4. vs 3 of 2thes2 speaks of this falling away and man of sin, which also describes in mat 24:24 and rev 13.
with these facts which option is do you think is near to the truth?

Scott said...

1. The letter that you are referring to which is seen in 2 Thes states the following "...we ask you brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us SAYING THAT THE DAY OF THE LORD HAS ALREADY COME.

So yes, the reference is a letter, but the letter made the false premise that they were living in the Tribulation - so the CONTENT of that letter is in focus. Therefore he IS referring to the Tribulation.

2. The greek word that was used prior to the KJV was a different word for "departure" . Look it up. Why it was suddenly changed has not been declared.

3. Matthew 24:24 was speaking of generational signs not a reference to the Rapture.
(NOW I see what Mrs C was referring to in her post - DUH to me!)

4. You never took up my premise.

I'll repeat - PAUL was giving reassurances that they were NOT in the Tribulation.....If your premise is true, then how would stating that apostasy had to come first would be AT ALL reassuring to them, as part of an argument that they weren't IN THE TRIB?

They were in the midst of apostasy - rampant in Thessalonica - So how exactly would that have been reassuring AND meant to serve as a reason they weren't IN THE TRIB?

Scott said...

Caps are for emphasis only - I'm not 'yelling'. :)

Anonymous said...

to scott,
note taken. good discussion. :-)
its good to read that we are in agreement that paul was referring to a letter.
the false premise is not about living in tribulation, "The lord has already come" but the worst...POST. (overthrowing most faith)
considering a pre trib doctrine, if they were just left behind there is still a second chance and you wouldnt be worry, but saying that Jesus had already come and nothing happen, that is just to say we believe in vain.
was paul referring to rapture or Jesus coming?

i cannot say that they were in the middle of apostasy for i am not there to tell the exact situation, but what clear is there was a false report or letter saying that the Lord has already come, probably the report like 2tim2:18.

If paul is talking about the second coming not rapture, it make perfect sense.

we can say falling away as "departure" for We will be gather first prior to his Second Coming.

or we can say "apostasy" falling away/departure from truth as this was also a prelude to Jesus second coming.
mat24:24, rev13:13-14 talks further of deception and man of sin, the beast, false christs, false prophet.
Signs to watch.

with these facts on the hand i tend to choose the latter.

Scott said...

What you are saying above makes no sense. At all. ALso - why then, would Paul have started 1 Thess 1:10, by saying that we are to wait for patiently for the Lord who is coming to save us from the Wrath?
You are severely twisting the content of the letters - and I must say, you are in disagreement with the vast majority of biblical scholars who also believe that Paul is talking about the Tribulation, which is clearly in view from "The Day Of The Lord"....No offense, but this is what you gus ALWAYS do - and that is to twist the scriptures to fit what you WANT to to say.

Again, this is a tangential scripture anyway - why don't you dig into the list of scriptures I mentioned.

Anonymous said...

to scott,
am i twisting the contents of the letter?
you have written it in caps i just copied it.
what clearer can you get from that "ALREADY COME"?

1thes1:10 is a fact. none to argue about it.The Lord will indeed save us from the Wrath.
That is why he needed to calm the believers that their faith is not in vain.
He goes further to the extent that for Lord Jesus to come,the man of sin must be revealed, which only true because this man of sin will be destroyed at the brightness of his coming.
the good thing about this is. matthew the first gospel, and revelation the last book, confirm of coming deception and false christ before the Lord comes.

I am not even arguing the pretrib rapture., infact i did say the our gathering is before Jesus comes, or shall we say before touchdown in mt. of olives.

sorry if you think i disagree with your scholars, you dont need a scholar to differintiate bible facts, just need the zealot, fishermen and one dr. luke, tax collector.

it would be good to set up a thread updated daily to discuss different timing without being hated, we are all brothers in Christ.
If you really want to discuss other scriptures regarding pre-trib rapture, we can start with facts of rapture.

Alice said...


Not sure that you understand that "the Day of the Lord" is the Tribulation. They are the SAME THING. Biblical scholars agree on this.

Anonymous said...

Like clockwork the baiting games sad for the constant attempts to hijack and create division among the group. The hosts time seems to be much more valuable than this IMHO.

Anonymous said... are free to believe whatever you want but your arguement about 'the day of the Lord' is incredibly weak. It is obvious and not worth arguing...we can agree to disagree and leave it at that...

Mrs.C said...

Oh my goodness, here we go AGAIN! Wont discuss the “pre-Trib”, but yet insist on what so called “facts” by quoting Spripture that without question places the Church in the Trib when we ARE NOT? evident from the past someone who is rude to the owner of the blog, argumentative , sarcastic and the list goes on. Yet ALWAYS the same MO. Disappear for a bit, then come back. Some don’t disappear at all, but come back as a different name or anon. Present yourselves as just simply asking questions, just to slither in the back door. The continued arguing, questions presented, is so that you can present, or attempt to force feed others your incorrect views. Amazing still, is the attempt to present these “questions” as some kind of “discussion”, when they themselves never engage or answer the questions presented to them. Why? Because they are not earnestly seeking Brotherly or Sisterly true discussion of His Word, they are only here for their own agenda. They continually project onto others, what they are guilty of themselves.

Then of course after the rudeness, disrespect, and never ending badgering with set up questions (which are established so they can come back with their distorted posts), you all do the same thing, play victim of “meanness” “hatred” or “hostil”, with the attempting to make the person challenging your error, look like the bad guy or feel badly while you, falsely or not, present yourselves to be a “brother or sister”. Its always the same, and so very manipulative.

It appears this is once again leading to the “oh, we believe in the pre-Trib and wont go through the Wrath of God because we’re already in the middle of the Trib” nonsense that was attempted to be promoted before. What is it you called it, the “pre-wrath” nonsense? Trying to claim we are falsely already in the middle of the Trib? Hmmm…can anyone say back in April…“mato”…”hisown”…and the list goes on.

Just amazing Brothers and Sisters, the darkness that’s going on, but what would we expect from the enemy who knows his time is short! Its not just with “anons” but there are a few whose names you are familiar with for some time, that are actually multiple names on the blog causing strife and steeling time, just like the enemy.
This core of a few, also jump in when another anon shows up, and also post as anons, just to add to the strife. You see, they have a core of “characters” that they use, and one by one as they are challenged, their “characters” they create have to die off just like a bad novel (as a dear friend said) .
We know who you are, but most importantly GOD knows who you are. I will say this to you in all of His Love, you need to turn away, run from what you are doing! Run to Him, seek Him! I will say this with boldness, time is very very short before we all will be before Him , face to face, with no accusers. We will be held accountable, all of us, individually. Do you realize how close we are? I hope that the Holy Spirit convicts you of this Truth. Time to have our house in order, both physical and Spiritual…

Caver said...

Hi Me,

You are missing over 6 months of the same tactics you find Mrs C and Scott and others reacting to.

Over, and over, and over...again, again, and again....the same thing under different names.

Its the Lord's blog and Scott is the Steward of it. Scott has laid down some rules many times and made the blog's position know. The Anon should either honor it or leave. Its the same tired song....back door approach and its got many here pretty upset.

There are many places that share his beliefs or are willing to entertain them and discuss them. As Scott has said over and over, that is not his intent on this blog.

Caver said...

I can't say it on the open board, but there is a huge, huge difference.

Anonymous said...

if you have said "the day of the Lord" is "Great tribulation", i would have agree with you.
1Ti 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

Scott said...

How long is the Time of Jacob's Trouble Anon?

And as I said before - what did Gabriel mean when he said to Daniel (Daniel 9:24) that the 490 year period is for "YOUR PEOPLE and YOUR HOLY CITY" ?

Do you see the church there? No - thats because this entire 490 year period is designate for the Nation of Israel.

So you are going to tell me that the Church age didn't overlap during the first 483 years in this time and will, for some inexplicable reason overlap for ~ 3.6 years during this entire period?


Don't you find that slightly inconsistent with Daniel 9:24?

Scott said...

3.5 years

Anonymous said...

pre-wrath and mid think the wrath of God starts around the 6th seal and the rapture is before that n starts when they see the trib saints under the altar. (not resurrected or glorified by the way) so thats there idea of a Pretrib rapture, so from that idea, they are pretrib.
As this blog is on the www highway, its bound to get visitors of all sorts. If u want to be private for 7 yr Pretrib only members, then I reckon u need to set up a sign in only blog of sorts. Getting mad is just like a red rag to a bull, makes em riled all the more to taunt ya all the more! bad move imho ;)

Scott said...

Who's mad? I don't see disagreements as being 'mad' nor have I seen anyone with any sort of 'mad' attitude. Nor do I see "them" taunting - just the usual poorly formed arguments and mis-understanding of scriptures. It seems pretty well-behaved to me - this go around anyway.

This blog isn't "private" for 7 year pre-trib -- its just the redundancy of 2-3 posters who come on here and put the same cut-and-paste arguments over and over and over - all while refusing to discuss the central points - that becomes tiresome and unproductive. As I have said more times than I can count, if they would take a serious discussion it would be great but such discussions never seem to take place.

Mrs.C said...

Oh my, the same tactic..."mad" etc.
Untrue and always a manipulation, always. This is very interesting...Mato morphed into "last anon" within the same comment section, in posts a month ago. Ran the comment count up to 100? Going on and on, self promoting of how we are already in the middle of the Trib. Just would not stop, and changed names in the middle of the comments. There are serious issues, when someone uses multiple names, posting essentially questions to themselves back and forth, in order to post their pre-determined agenda.
Interesting, the behavior of this current “anon’, is almost identical to “mato” – “last anon”, and the words – subject matter are pretty similar too…

Last Anon-Mato- "In verse 3, Paul stated that the Tribulation could not have come yet because two events, both of which must precede the Tribulation, had not yet occurred."
I've read the verses and paul is not talking about tribulation, but rather That day of gathering together unto him. see vs. 1
also looking at the events before this happen;
1. falling away of church
2. vs. 3 abomination of desolation

April 23, 2012 2:30 PM

Current ANON -
"Paul then reminds them and us in
vs 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
the difference however is at that time Israel was not yet born.
Now we watch for this falling away first? any of you guys knows what this mean?"
May 15, 2012 5:06 PM

Last Anon - Mato - "Also rev 13 describes from rise of the beast to power, duration of his reign, his work and the work of his predecessor the false prophet while he is still in power.
last anon"
April 21, 2012 9:20 AM

Mrs.C said...

Current ANON-
4. vs 3 of 2thes2 speaks of this falling away and man of sin, which also describes in mat 24:24 and rev 13.
May 15, 2012 8:51 PM

Last anon - Mato - "I've read the verses and paul is not talking about tribulation, but rather That day of gathering together unto him. see vs. 1
also looking at the events before this happen;
1. falling away of church
2. vs. 3 abomination of desolation."
Last anon
April 23, 2012 2:30 PM

Current ANON-
"we can say falling away as "departure" for We will be gather first prior to his Second Coming.
or we can say "apostasy" falling away/departure from truth as this was also a prelude to Jesus second coming.
mat24:24, rev13:13-14 talks further of deception and man of sin, the beast, false christs, false prophet.
Signs to watch."

May 16, 2012 5:18 AM

mato...last anon...current anon...

Anonymous said...

on the contrary i can agree with you that the last week can be future, but i don't dismiss it was already accomplished and that there is no overlap.
From since the creation of the world the bible has been keeping up record.
the last week of daniel can be a future, but that does'nt mean that it is the length of tribulation or even Jacobs trouble.

Just sometime ago i've seen your comment about this;

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
and i remember you said this was accomplished in 70 AD.
compare that then to mat 24:15 and mark 13:14.

Dan 9:24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, 1. to finish the transgression, and 2. to make an end of sins, and 3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and 4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and 5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and 6. to anoint the most Holy.
1. finish trangression heb9:15
2. end of sin heb 9:26, 1pet2:24
3. reconciliation for the sins heb2:27
4. righteousness to evryone rom 10:4
5. all things must be fulfilled concerning Jesus luke24:44
6. God annointed thee heb1:9
all these things were accomplished by Christ.
do i see the church yes.
Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
unless you consider the Israelites not part of the church in the wilderness.

in the church there is neither jew nor gentiles
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Anonymous said...

mrs C.
God bless you and keep you.

Mrs.C said...

Anon said "Just sometime ago i've seen your comment about this;

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
and i remember you said this was accomplished in 70 AD.
compare that then to mat 24:15 and mark 13:14."

Amazing again "anon" happened to notice the exact same conversation "mato - aka last anon" had with Scott about the same subject...
Anonymous said...

"Exactly bro. Scott, luke 21:20 warning of temple destruction and scattering of jews and this happenned in 70ad.temple desolated.
But will it happen again in the coming days"

March 29, 2012 5:56 AM

AND...still promoting the mid-Trib pre-Wrath stuff...just like "mato"

Anon said -"the last week of daniel can be a future, but that does'nt mean that it is the length of tribulation or even Jacobs trouble."
May 16, 2012 6:35 PM

"Yes there will be great tribulation, 7 years??? 3 1/2 years??? The bible does not say how long the great tribulation is"

March 28, 2012 9:04 PM

Scott said...

Mato - what tickles me about you guys is the fact that you care SO MUCH and spend SO MUCH time and energy on trying to convince pre-trib people that they are wrong and that you are right....And I see this all the time. I have had people show up at a prophecy talk I was giving, or a bible study, for the express purpose of
debating the topic.

I never ever see pre-trib people doing that. Never. Ever. For me, for instance, it would never even enter my mind to look around at post-trib or mid-trib sites and debate with them. I have absolutely no desire to do that, nor do any of the colleagues I know do that.

So why is it almost obsessional for you guys to come to a place like this and try so hard to convince people that you are right?

Whats up with that?

Seriously - I have never understood this and would love some insight. Whats up with the obsession over this?

I couldn't care less what your views are - frankly, I've already been through every argument that you can present (many times over) and its not convincing. Period. I've put it to rest looong ago.

Why do you care so much what our views are?

Anonymous said...

if any of your brother err from the truth, would you not try at least to correct them?
let us say pre trib is the truth, would you not try to convince us? you would'nt, because we will meet you in the air anyway.
but if you are wrong, and you experience tribulations as discussed above like the thessalonians, what will happen is you will overthrow the faith of many. The letter would be proven correct then, rather than false.
I love my brethren whatever belief you have regarding end times. let us discuss and weigh, you could lead me to the truth if proven wrong and I you.

In Christ,

Anonymous said...

i would prefer brotherly discussion, rather than debate.
"debate" sounds like war.
we are at war with the devil, but not with the brethren.
any haters can post their views but hopefully with less hatred emotion but full of encouragement.

Anonymous said...

would you consider yourself "elect"?
i am just asking this coz, what i understand from the word of mrs c, pre-trib considers that that the elect are not part of the Church.
if you then consider yourself one.
there is a 50/50 % chance then.

Scott said...

No, I have no desire to troll other sites and correct people like you - none at all (I thought I stated that)
Ahhhhhhhh - I see...You are going to "save us from ourselves" in case we end up in the trib unprepared. I've never seen that line of thought before. (sarcasm)...

No, your obsession borders on pathologic. Seriously. I think you could use therapy - seriously.

Scott said...

Especially considering your rather elaborate tactics (having 'conversations' with yourself, posing as different alias', etc...Its very bizarre. VERY bizarre. And obsessional. Seriously. You need some self-reflection on this at a minimum.

Anonymous said...

To scott,
i did not converse with myself, some anons do answer.

With all respect scott, i havent throw a single word that might hurt your feelings or even put you into flame.

You could have just said "NO" full stop.

Who do you think needs a therapy?
If someone ask you fish, you gave them serpent.
The one who ask for fish, or the one who gave the serpent.

Grace be with you and may the Almighty God blessed this site.

In Christ,

Scott said...

Mato - there have been several threads where I know for a fact that you were pretending to be two different people, "agreeing" with each other in a 'conversation'...Its pretty easy to do from my end. So please.....

serpent? That is how you characterize someone daring to disagree with you?

So now you predictably play the victim.

Who needs therapy? I believe you do - based on the games you play, the amount of time and energy you spend here in deceit, the obsession you have, etc. Yes, I'd definitely say that you could use some therapy to work this out. I know a lot more about your tactics here than you realize :)

Caver said...

Poor, poor persecuted all forms, personalities, deceptions, and more.

Mato, there is only one personality in this conversation that is hiding and posting by deception. Does that give you a clue?

At this point, you have no idea how easy you are to spot and predict. Your baiting type of entry into a forum or thread is getting easier and easier to spot.

Mrs.C said... have in the past said nasty words to Scott, that he inturn had to DELETE! How long have you been doing this now? MONTHS...and Scott has asked you to STOP many, many times...

Scott said...
I didn't delete because I wasn't here to do so; otherwise I would have. It seems clear to me that you come here to cause division and conflict. This is something that perplexes me to no end. You also inflict inflammatory language and repetetive mantras with no apparent purpose other than to inflame and to divide. Then you typically end with slogans such as "peace, mercy", etc

I don't understand your agenda, but I want it to stop.
April 19, 2012 8:13 AM

Scott said...
And please - don't start it again on this post as I will immediately delete.
Many thanks in advance, for respecting these wishes.
April 19, 2012 8:15 AM

Scott said...

You're just not going to let go are you? How perplexing and bizarre. Why are you so obsessed with this blog?

I promise, I will continue to delete your ramblings and attempts to divide and cause controversy. Can't you move on to some other site?

Do you not have a job or some other form of activity?
April 24, 2012 8:29 AM

Barry said...

Scott, I'm glade you mentioned that "falling away" should say in the KJV "departure." There is apsolutely no reason for the Church to be here during the Tribulation Period. To those that think that the Church is here at that time creates a problem. The Church is also known as the body of Christ. Paul talks about the body as being hole. How can the Church go through the Tribulation when the biggest part of it is dead? There is nothing in scripture that says that the dead in Christ are going to be raised to go through the Tribulation Period.Scott your blog has good info.We are living in the last of the last days. I can almost hear the trumpet sound!! God Bless and keep up the good work.

Barry said...

I meant to say whole not hole. Lol

Barry said...

To all you post-trib., pre-wrath, or mid-tribers here is one of the best verses for a pre-tribulation rapture. Luke 21:36 " Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." The etymology of the word escape is "ek" in the Greek, and it means out of, from,by,away from. It never means through. "These things"are the Tribulation Period. Also the "no man knows the day or the hour" phrase according to the context does not refer to the Rapture of the Church, but the second coming. Don't take my word for it, read it.God Bless