Thursday, January 5, 2012

2012: A Coming New World Order (continued)

It's interesting how the news runs in cycles. Today's news is all about the rapidly fading, former world empire known as the United States where a rapid descent into tyranny is occurring before our very eyes:

DHS Officers Armed With Semiautomatics Set Up Unannounced ID Checkpoint

Residents of Leesburg, Florida were shocked to see their local Social Security office turned into a random Homeland Security checkpoint Tuesday morning, as DHS officers armed with semiautomatic rifles and accompanied by sniffer dogs checked identifications of locals.

“With their blue and white SUVs circled around the Main Street office, at least one official was posted on the door with a semiautomatic rifle, randomly checking identifications. And other officers, some with K-9s, sifted through the building,” reports the Daily Commercial.


Daily Commercial Link Here

The activity was part of Operation Shield, an unannounced drill conducted by the DHS’ Federal Protective Service centered around “detecting the presence of unauthorized persons and potentially disruptive or dangerous activities.”


At a social security office? Huh?

Thomas Milligan, district manager for the Social Security Administration office, said staff were not informed their offices were about to be stormed by armed FPS officers. DHS officials refused to answer questions asked by local media and left with no explanation at noon.

As part of the reinvention of the Department of Homeland Security to serve as a tool of political repression, the Federal Protective Service is used by the DHS to track the political activities of peaceful advocacy groups. The FPS was seen arresting photographers in Portland last November during an OWS rally.

In 2004, the FPS arrested a veteran for the crime of complaining to his local VA office in Des Moines.

A separate component of Homeland Security, VIPR (Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response), recently received an expansion in funding from Congress that will see 2011′s figure of around 9,300 checkpoints increased with the addition of 12 new VIPR teams, who will be used to carry out security checks at bus depots, train stations, ferry ports and highways.


Meanwhile, as we see a huge bolstering of military within the U.S. borders, we also see this:

Obama Eyes Massive Pentagon Cuts

.. .sources close to the issue say Obama is after a deep reduction of 490,000 troops and as much as $1 trillion in military funding "without compromising national security."

Some $487 billion in automatic cuts will be enforced over 10 years due to an inability by the defense super-committee to set priorities, but his plans could entail an additional $500 billion in reductions, according to reports.

Of principle concern is the shift away from America's long-term strategic posture of maintaining the ability to fight two sustained ground wars at one time. It would also preclude the ability to pursue a broad ongoing counter-insurgency such as those carried out in Iraq and Afghanistan.


In another ominous development we see this:

No Doctor For You: How The Federal Government Is Chasing Millions Of Good Doctors Out Of The Medical Profession

Most Americans do not realize this, but we are on the verge of a major doctor shortage in the United States.

These days a lot of politicians are warning us about the dangers of "socialized medicine", but the truth is that we already have it.

And now Obamacare is going to make things much, much worse. As you will read about later in this article, a stunning percentage of doctors say that they plan to leave the medical profession because of Obamacare. What this means is that we are headed for a chronic doctor shortage and there is a good chance that there will be no doctor for you when you really need one in the years ahead.

Today, approximately 40 percent of all doctors in the United States are 55 years of age or older. Large numbers of them are getting ready to retire.

Even before Obamacare was passed, we were already facing a massive shortage of doctors in the coming years. The American Association of Medical Colleges has projected that we will experience a shortage of more than 150,000 doctors over the next 15 years.

Unfortunately, the passage of Obamacare is going to make this crisis even worse. A whole host of surveys have shown that a massive number of doctors in America are headed for the exits because of the new health care law....

*According to a Merritt Hawkins survey of 2,379 doctors for the Physicians Foundation that was conducted in August 2010, 40 percent of all U.S. doctors plan to "retire, seek a nonclinical job in health care, or seek a job or business unrelated to health care" at some point over the next three years.

*A shocking IBD/TPP Poll taken in 2010 found that 45 percent of all U.S. doctors are considering leaving the medical profession or retiring early as a result of Obamacare.

Most Americans think of doctors as being "wealthy", but that is not the reality of what is going on out there these days as a recent CNN article explained....

Doctors in America are harboring an embarrassing secret: Many of them are going broke.

This quiet reality, which is spreading nationwide, is claiming a wide range of casualties, including family physicians, cardiologists and oncologists.


Obamacare is going to burden our doctors with a gigantic mountain of new regulations and red tape. It is going to become incredibly difficult to make a living as a doctor and the federal government is going to be pretty much running the entire health care system.

Did you know that Obamacare is so oppressive that it is even causing the cancellation of new hospitals?

According to the executive director of Physician Hospitals of America, Obamacare has already forced the cancellation of at least 60 doctor-owned hospitals that were scheduled to open.

Our health care system is irretrievably broken. The federal government has messed it up beyond all recognition and it is not going to get better any time soon.


So what do we have so far?

Just today, in America, we see the set-up for martial law, subversive appointments, bypassing of the constitution by the President, more armed ID Checkpoints by DHS (without any cause), massive defense cuts, and a healthcare system that is irreversibly broken. This is news during a single daily cycle. And the above is ignoring the massive financial crisis that is underway.

Also in the evening news we see:

US Deploys Troops In Israel For Iran War

An unnamed source said the military deployment of US anti-missile ships and accompanying support personnel will occur in January and later this spring, Global Research reported.

Commander of the US Third Air Force based in Germany Lt.-Gen Frank Gorenc said it is not just an "exercise," but a "deployment," The Jerusalem Post said.


In Final Leg Of Vote, Egypt's Islamists Eye Majority

Saudis, Gulf States On War Alert For Early US-Iran Clash

Wednesday night, the Iranian parliament began drafting a bill prohibiting foreign warships from entering the Gulf without Tehran's permission.

Washington sources report that Saudi Arabia has warned the Obama administration that Iranian leaders mean what they say; their leaders are bent on provoking a military clash with the United States at a time and place of their choosing, rather than leaving the initiative to Washington. To this end, Iranian officials are ratcheting up their belligerence day after day.

America's failure to rise to Iran's challenge will confirm its rulers in the conviction that the US is a paper tiger and encourage them to press their advantage for new gains.

The assessment of British military experts Thursday, Jan. 5, was that the question now is: Who will blink first? Will the US follow through on the Pentagon's assertion that the deployment of US military assets in the Persian Gulf will continue as it has for decades? Or will Iran act on its warnings and block those waters to the entry of American warships?

The entire region is now on tenterhooks for the next move, with US, Iranian and Gulf armies on the highest war alert. American and Iranian war planners both accept that their advantage lies in surprising the enemy – without, however, catapulting the Persian Gulf into a full-dress war.

35 comments:

Dave DU said...

Do these aircraft carriers have strong defensive capabilities on there own? I was surprised to read that the "stennis" went through the straight unaccompanied without its support ships. I thought the whole fleet was to support the aircraft carrier.

Curious Dave.

DrWho said...

We are willing to sacrifice a carrier or entire battle group to get the American people to support another war. We will keep sending ships into the Gulf until there is an incident or Gulf of Tonkin farce.

Why are Christians soooooo opposed to everything Obama does, but are so eager to drink the kool-aid over another war?

Anonymous said...

I have been reflecting what has been going on since I started
POSTING on this blog in DEC 2010.


I have come to a conclusion...

that all I have said ABOUT THE EWI
Model has come to pass.....NO, this
world HAS NOT ended yet, Jesus has
NOT come back yet, and 3 years
have come and gone with the Dow
UP every single year, 2009, 2010,
and 2011.

I am really tired of it, BUT I know
that I CANNOT make the stock market
go down. I am ONLY one little
human after all.

But i DO KNOW that as long as stocks are bullin', FORGET about
the end of the world.

hey, i would love to SEE it soon like everyone else here. But that
is NOT yet to be. I want to be with
my dog Silver, i miss here very much.

BUT Wall street GREEDY PIG bulls stand in my way.

sad.....

so, we wait.....

there will be a point when stocks
WILL crash, and hard.....but not yet.....

until then, all i can do is wait
like the rest of you.

Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>

Dave DU said...

Destroying a dictator is hardly a farce Doc. The John C Stennis serves the purpose of a show of force.
The job those men and women do on that ship will justify their reason for being there; to protect and keep peace in the region.

A farce? No way Doc. A farce is coming over to say, Australia and invading because we don't agree with Obama and follow his abortion policies, for example.

It's never a farce to place an entire fleet in an Islamic infested region to keep the peace.
Is it a farce the John C Stennis picks a fight? Hell no. Sometimes a fight has to be picked so these despot dictators will go. Squeeze the zit and it heals. Get rid of the mocker and you'll have peace.

Iran is picking a fight and we the Christians who hold the balance of power and the military hardware to maintain it should use it to dispence the justice required. That justice is to rid the world of maniacs who would come into your home and lop off the head of every member of your family if you don't submit to their god.

Doc, I will never submit to what I call "tree hugging love". In other words love that doesn't understand the need for war in a sinful violent world. Love that calls for all men every where to lay down arms and hug each other. Blah! Hard work needs to be done, dictators need to be destroyed and the balance of power (good) must be maintained.

Dave.

Mrs.C said...

Amen Brother Dave, Amen! Very well said and such is the Truth you speak!

God Bless You! :)

Mrs.C said...

Hi Brother Stephen, :)
Good to see you as always! :)
Yes indeed sweet Brother, all of us are waiting, but keep the Faith Brother, look up Brother, it wont be long!

God Bless You and Keep You Always!

Caver said...

If, in fact, these things are indeed occurring then it seems either another escalation or eye blink is right around the corner....a line in the Gulf if you will.

If it is indeed drawn, how could the US and allies not cross it? And how could Iran not do what they have threatened? Then, how could the next step not be taken? Which step starts the fur ball and releases the balloons?

As far as another war goes, I keep coming back to what Lindsey Williams said was going on. TPTB want to keep pushing until Iran strikes out first and then.....well, that wasn't real clear.

Hate to say it....but at this point I don't think we have any idea of what the motivations and real actions / reactions are. We know what we're being fed.....and not just through the US information machine. And we know...most importantly...what we can bank on, namely prophecy.

So, I guess we take it all in and keep watching and rely on the Holy Spirit to do the filtering and give the warnings. He's good at that.

Wow! What a time to be alive. If only the blind could/would open their eyes just a blink in this direction.

Anonymous said...

dear Mrs. C >>>>


Yeah, that's me, keeping track of the good old EWI wave counts.

It is getting critical now....

Wall Street Bulls are very very complacent in the sentiment polls
I have seen, in the past, that has
ALMOST ALWAYS meant something BAD
is just around the corner....
ie, I just read that an initial
conflict between Iran and the US
would fade quickly, UH UH....
media is full of it if that is what they think >>>>>>>

NO WAY

when this market cracks it WILL be
big, so basically that tells me
that ANY CONFLICT will escalate
rapidly into a full blown confrontation.

Especially with the next count being a (3) DOWN.....

THAT IS why this IRAN thing is so dangerous from an EWI standpoint,
hard to say, THIS could VERY WELL
be the beginning of 17/19 Isaiah.

Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>

Dave DU said...

God bless you Caver and Mrs C.

Dave

Mrs.C said...

Dear Brother Stephen, :)
Yes indeed, Isaiah 17 war could be triggered by any number of events at this point. It is a very short fuse just waiting to be lit by the smallest of sparks!

God Bless You Brother! :)

DrWho said...

Hello Dave-

To be clear, the farce would be to claim that we were attacked when we were not as happened in the Gulf of Tonkin. Either we were lied to or "the fog of war" confused our leaders so much that they escalated the war. Neither is good.

As far as ridding the world of dictators;

Matt 5
38 “(AZ)You have heard that it was said, ‘(BA)AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39 But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but (BB)whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take your [am]shirt, let him have your [an]coat also. 41 Whoever [ao]forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 (BC)Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

43 “(BD)You have heard that it was said, ‘(BE)YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR (BF)and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, (BG)love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may [ap]be (BH)sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For (BI)if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Therefore [aq](BJ)you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

In light of the above passage, I do not see in the New Testament where we are called by God to kill in order to make the world a better place.

If Iran actually attacked the US, then yes retaliation would be in order as a matter of defense.

Also, don't assume that Obama wants to station troops in Austrailia for your safety and protection :-)

Anonymous said...

DAVE-Please try and find a guy named Albert Pike! He is dead, for many years, but was a powerful human player on satan's team. A civil war general, a 33rd degree mason, and really good friends with the Sicilian man who started the mafia. Those two wrote letters back and forth discussing lots of evil things. Really check out the one letter where he lays out the plans for the 3 world wars. of course two have come to pass already, exactly as stated so im pretty sure the 3rd one will come to pass the same way also. And we are on the cusp currently. As a matter of fact, the plain relies heavily on on the nations doing precisely what you want them too! Its all to usher in the a.c. oh and eleminate a huge amount of the poulace of this planet! Its quite an interesting read and only a few paragraphs long!I just reread it myself a few days ago to see how precisely close we are and to make sure there was nothing in disagreement with biblical phrophecy thst i had missed previously.Looking forward to your commentary afterwards :) ally

Dave DU said...

Hi Doc I do agree with you about the real reason for your troops in our country. Yes it is to serve Obama's agenda for the asian region. The ramifications of your troops being here are that it will bolster our national security in one sense but also could jeperdize our trade relations with china ( I strongly suspect we are not the only country where china can go shopping for minerals!!). For now though prime minister Gillards sparkling eye for Obama has brought us more security for our nation and for that I'm grateful.

Secondly Doc I've always believed Jesus meant those verses from a person to person and enemy occupation point of view. Because God deals with us personally I believe His sermons are on a personal level as well.

About your belief in defense of your nation; if Israel had had the technology and hardware to forsee Rome's advances on their nation they could have launched a pre-emotive strike on the Roman troops and halted them. As a consequence Jesus probably wouldn't have had to say what he said about soldiers making the locals carry their packs....IMO! Sometimes Doc a nation has to defend themselves in these pre-emptive strikes in order to stop the enemy before they leave their own soil. If Israel does launch and incapacitates Iran, great, more time for peace brought for the area.

Sometimes Doc you've got to fight fire with fire....pre-emptively.

Bless ya Doc

Are you an actual doctor or do you just like DR Who the TV series?

Dave DU said...

Doc I know the Roman occupation of Israel had to happen for the crucifictions sake. I'm only speaking from a strategic point of view

God bless Dave.

DrWho said...

Hi Dave,

I completely respect your opinion.

Not really a doctor, just an insurance broker sending blogs from my TARDIS :-)

DrWho said...

Dave- And a traitor named Judas served a role in God's plan as well.

Dave DU said...

I don't know Doc but I will quote from the NLT Rom 11:33-34; "oh how great are God's riches and wisdom and knowledge! How impossible it is for us to understand His decisions and His ways!
34. For who can know the Lords thoughts?
Who can know enough to give Him advice?

God is making everything work out for our good.

Some may say that God would have to be the biggest manipulator of mankind in history. We shouldn't say that. God is working everything for His glory and the eventual end of this sin sick world.
God had a plan for judas and Jesus knew it. Why didn't He stop judas? It was foretold in the bible.Rom11:33-34 is all I can say.

Dave.

Caver said...

Dr Who,

Interesting point about Judas but, then again, doesn't everyone serve a role in God's great plan?

As for the troops and war...

1. Iran has announced publicly, privately, and there is a TV recording of their General Assembly passing a resolution of Death to the great and small satan. That is us and Israel.
2. They boast repeatedly of annihilating Israel, the apple of God's eye. The one who will be blessed or cursed based on blessing or cursing them. Besides, they are 7 million human beings.
3. Iran's theology is that its ok if they suffer millions dead or maimed so long as they destroy Israel and throw the world into bloody turmoil.
3. Iran has build delivery systems.
4. Iran has killed our soldiers in ambushes in foreign countries.
5. Iran is building a nuclear weapon.

Now, I gotta scratch my head at your position.

Israel is a one nuke country.

Is it your position that we just ignore the reality of the situation until Israel is nuked...by one, two, three, or more. For gosh shakes, the whole purpose of giving them this country is so this would never happen again. They lost over 6 million just a few generations ago with the same type advance warnings were ignored.

Is it your position that we wait until they actually set one off in a few of our most densely populated and important cities?

They've announced they are going to defeat us. They've proclaimed weekly that they are going to wipe Israel off the map.

Their religion is predicated on killing all who will not convert.

Why on earth would any sane people wait until these things happen before putting a stop to it.....peacefully if possible or by force if necessary.

Have we been maneuvered into this position?...possibly. But does it make any difference at this point. The facts are the facts. They are developing the means to wipe Israel off the map and inflict unimaginable damage and pain on us.....why in the world wait and allow this?

Of course, we all here know that the debate is kind of pointless. The Lord is the director and His plan will come to fruition.

Blessings Brother.

Caver

Diane said...

Interesting comments, Caver, and I must say that I agree. I used to hear family members talk about WW2 and how if Japan had not been bombed, more Americal lives would have been lost, as the war would have gone on much longer.

Than I am shocked to hear history retold by the younger generation about the "poor Japanese". After the recent terrible events in Japan, my son said "it happened to them again."

At the time of WW2, the Japanese government did not care about the masses of the people, and that is the way it is now for most of the ME countries. I am sorry for the indidual Japanese people who were killed and disfigured as the results of the 2 bombs. I am also sorry for the individual people in the ME now.

I believe that we must pray for individuals in the ME and everywhere to turn to the Lord while there is time . God will deal with the nations in His own time, in His own way.

I am so glad that He holds each of us in the palm of His hand and under the shadow of His wings.

"The eternal God is thy dwelling-place, And underneath are the everlasting arms. And he thrust out the enemy from before thee..."
Deuteronomy 33 :27

Diane

Mrs.C said...

Brother Dr.Who, :)
Around and around we go again, but not for long. :(
Really, to “be clear”? Brother, forgive me, but it would behoove you to wake up to the very dangerous world we live in. Again, it is obvious that you are anti-war, and you have every right to your opinion, but keep in mind those that you sometimes flippantly insult with your words and nonfactual statements, it is they that have and do Serve this great Nation so that you can say those words. BTW, from your previous go round, you never answered the question “Do you Pray for our Service Men and Women?” Have you ever thanked one for their Service?
As said before, they Brother carry the emotional scares, the wounds, and sometimes give their lives, for you, for all of us!
John 15:13
13.Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Dr Who said “In light of the above passage, I do not see in the New Testament where we are called by God to kill in order to make the world a better place.”

Forgive me Dr.Who, “we are called?”, but you have made it very clear that it is not “you”, who is called to fight for the protection of this Nation. It is our Brave Men and Women that take all of ugliness of war FOR YOU, so you don’t have to get your hands dirty!
Jesus didn’t have a problem with the military, or He would have said so, and He didn’t! In the New Testament, Jesus was amazed when a Roman Centurion (an officer in charge of one hundred soldiers) approached Him. The Centurion’s response to Jesus indicated his clear understanding of authority, as well as his faith in Jesus (Matthew 8:5-13). Jesus did not denounce his career, in fact Jesus said there were no others like him with such Faith in ALL OF ISRAEL! Do you not think that Jesus new these military men fought in wars? He did, and He didn’t have a problem with it. There are alot Centurions mentioned in the New Testament are praised as Christians, God-fearers, and men of good character (Matthew 8:5; 27:54; Mark 15:39-45; Luke 7:2; 23:47; Acts 10:1; 21:32; 28:16).

Again, another previous point you ignored, and then never responded to. Forgive me, but your comments are not new. Its avoid answering questions, then answering questions with yet another question or statement.
It is an error to say that God never supports a war, and Jesus is not a pacifist. In a fallen world filled with evil people, sometimes war is necessary to prevent even greater evil.
Again, to restate what was said before. When Jesus Returns in His Second Coming it will be EXTREMELY violent. Revelation 19:11-21 tells us that it is Jesus Himself that comes, to judge and “MAKE WAR”. It’s going to be bloody and very gory. The birds will eat the flesh of all those who oppose Him (v. 17-18). He has no compassion upon His evil enemies, whom He will conquer completely and consign to a “fiery lake of burning sulfur” (v. 20). Will you then object, and tell Him that He shouldn’t be “making war” as HIS WORD SAYS JESUS WILL DO?
“Loving your enemy” and “Turning the other cheek” is a Command for individuals. It is not for governments, and those that find themselves or loved ones in dire situations with the threat of violence against them. Jesus Himself told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword (Luke 22:36). Jesus later told Peter “put your sword away” so Christ’s sacrifice would go forward and the scriptures would be fulfilled (Mt. 26:54). But the very fact that Jesus told Peter and the other disciples to buy a sword shows that its use for personal protection is appropriate. “Love your enemies” does not mean allow your wife and family to be killed, and it does not prohibit all wars as there are victims of these evil governments that are “innocents” too. Should we not stop them?

Mrs.C said...

(Continued)
Dr.Who said “If Iran actually attacked the US, then yes retaliation would be in order as a matter of defense.”
Really? Iran has been killing our Service Men and Women FOR YEARS in other countries! Does this count as just an example of an “actual attack” by Iran?
“Iran Commander Behind Killing of U.S. Troops Reportedly Linked To Washington Bomb Plot”

Dr Who, Jesus is no longer on the Cross, He has moved past it! He is now both a Lamb and a Lion. We will be so very Blessed to Witness this, when we return with Him as He, yes Jesus, “MAKES WAR” as His Word says He will. Again, I will repeat my previous statement from responding to you previously.
Jesus laid down His life as a sacrificial Lamb (Rev.5:12) as it was required for our Salvation, but He will return as a Lion, and will personally destroy all evil, no exceptions! That lamb-like disposition that Christ possessed in the redemption work was replaced with the vicious disposition of a lion in the work of judgment Jesus is described as a Lamb and as a Lion. Rev. 5:5-6
A lion is a fierce, ferocious, and fearless animal, particularly when provoked by an enemy. He has a vociferous and terrifying voice and when he roars, all beasts tremble. They love their young and will stand invincible against all who threaten them, never yielding until death so that their young might be safe.
So it is with Christ, when He is aroused by the enemies of His Church and the cries of His people. He will rise up like a lion to destroy. When Jesus speaks at the last day and come to judge, He will make the whole world tremble.
Joel 3:16
16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
Just as Peter could do nothing to stop Gods Plan of Salvation through His Son our Lord Jesus, we can do nothing that would change His Plans for these Last Days. Jesus dwells within each one of us, and we within Him. He is now both Lamb and Lion, which when seeking Him as an example to follow we are both also. Jesus has Risen, and again Dr. Who, has moved past the Cross...

God Bless!

DrWho said...

Mrs C.- I do not mean to irritate you and am sorry that I did not answer your earlier question. I do and have thanked soldiers for their service. I pray that they are kept safe and not sent to die in wars based upon lies.

You say Jesus will return and wage war against evil. I agree. That will happen, but it has not happened yet. We are not God however and I do not see anything in scripture that calls on Christians to track down and kill evil pre-emptivly.

Saying that loving your enemies is for individuals but not nations is not logical in a constitutional republic such as America. Killing, stealing and lying are sins whether they are done individually or sanctioned by 300,000,000 people.

The story of the Centurion is actually my favorite passage in the New Testament. The point I believe was that someone as removed from the Jewish faith as a Centurion, made the Jews even worse in their denial. The Centurion was the ultimate gentile, but had the clarity of seeing the power and divinity of Jesus Christ.

Was there a proper role for Centurions at that time? Yes, in maintaining order and safety in the empire. Did Centurions do bad things too, yes namely nailing Jesus Christ to a cross and later feeding Christians to the lions.

Were there good Centurions, yes. Were there bad Centurions, yes. I am in no way saying that it is a sin to be a soldier. What I am saying is that God does not have a separate set of morality based upon whether a person is wearing a uniform or not, or simply following orders.

I am not a liberal. I am a pro-life, pro-gun, anti-gay, conservative Southern Baptist, Rush Limbaugh ditto head.

The United States has pressured Israel to leave Iran alone. The United States gives 7 times more aid to Israel's enemies than we do to Israel. We have told Israel to return to pre-1967 borders.

We have waited until Europe's economy is on the verge of collapse and now all of a sudden we are going to get tough with Iran? This is not to weaken Iran, but to crush Europe. Europe depends on ME oil, not the US. Oil will hit $200 a barrel and the global economy will die.

Then, someone can step forward to bring about peace and security for seven years.

Yes, we are watching prophecy be fulfilled. God is in control. Jesus being betrayed and nailed to a cross was the fulfillment of prophecy as well, but that does not mean I would have hammered the nails.

Very bad things are on the horizon and Christians need to follow Christ and spread his word to the lost instead of depleated uranium.

IMHO

I love all of my Christian friends here and thank you again Scott for all you do in making this site possible.

DrWho said...

Caver- My friend, have faith. The Bible says that Jesus will return and rule from Jerusalem. God has a plan for tbem as well as you and for me. God has and will take care of Israel. Our foreign policy does not maintain Israel, God does. If Iran were to nuke Israel off the map, then the Bible would be wrong. Since the Bible can not be wrong, then Iran can not nuke them off the map.

Caver said...

DrWho, I agree with everything you just said in the last post.....but that addresses none of the questions I posed in response to your earlier statements.

Anonymous said...

Men work down mines and get maimed and killed, so do loggers, fishermen, quarry guys, firefighters and all. All work has dangers and the military are paid to do a job of work just like all other men and women who just get on with their paid work for the good of this nation to live ok and get no special thanks for it. Its about teamwork.

DrWho said...

Caver- Since we do not have a global government yet, there are no rules for the Iranians to break. They are a sovereign nation as is Israel,Poland, Mexico or the US. The Iranians do things that we do not like and we do things they do not like. Each nation is pursuing their own interests at the expense of others.

If we justify war with Iran because they arm Iraqis, were the Japanese justified in bombing Pearl Harbor since we arming the Chinese?

This is where war starts.

Caver said...

Come off it Dr Who,
Stop the dodge and weave
You come out with a ton of leftist talking points, accusations, and innuendo and then get challenged on them and you do nothing but change the subject and come back with off target questions.

You made the statements...now how about standing up and defending them rather than the leftie two step.

WHAT RULES? The rule of kill or be killed? I mentioned no rules...only you did and then said there aren't any rules to break.

They have ..
1. Announced publicly, privately, and there is a TV recording of their General Assembly passing a resolution of Death to the great and small satan. That is us and Israel.
2. They boast repeatedly of annihilating Israel, the apple of God's eye. The one who will be blessed or cursed based on blessing or cursing them. Besides, they are 7 million human beings.
3. Iran's theology is that its ok if they suffer millions dead or maimed so long as they destroy Israel and throw the world into bloody turmoil.
3. Iran has build nuclear delivery systems for that singular purpose and announced it to the world...for us, Israel and Europe.
4. Iran has killed our soldiers in ambushes in foreign countries....and they have armed insurgents in a third country for the express purpose of killing us. And they have
5. Iran is building a nuclear weapon.

I ask again
1.s it your position that we wait until they actually set one off in a few of our most densely populated and important cities?
2.Wait till they have actually destoryed Israel before protecting them?

This doesn't take misdirection...a yes or no answer is about all that's needed.

DrWho said...

Caver-
1. I will support pre-emptive wars when someone can show me in the New Testament that we are to kill our enemies before they can attack us.
2. If you believe Revelation, then Israel will not be destroyed.

I am not repeating liberal talking points. Those who are calling for war are following the talking points of our liberal commander in chief and liberal MSM.

IMHO

Mrs.C said...

Brother Dr.Who, :)
Forgive me, but as stated before, here we go again. :( The bait and switch approach of yours, is indeed tiring. But hey, as you expressed gleefully before, you were happy that your anti-war leftwing posts were remembered. :(
Interesting that you quote the extreme left with the "Iran's a sovereign nation" nonsense. Your a Rush Limbaugh listener, really? It would be interesting indeed to hear you say that directly to him ...along with your views.
Dont quite think he would be on board with ya on that.

Dr.Who said..."If we justify war with Iran because they arm Iraqis, were the Japanese justified in bombing Pearl Harbor since we arming the Chinese?"

Here we go again, the bait and switch. Problem is, perhaps you dont remember your previous posts?
Previously you stated that it was "all the U.S.'s fault" that Pearl Harbor was bombed by the Japanese because of the U.S.'s oil "embargo". Facts again elude you, and then when presented, you ignore them. So now your saying that Pearl Harbor was bombed because of "arming the Chinese"?
So which is it this time Dr.Who, oil or arming the Chinese? As brought to your attention before, either one of your answers are incorrect.
It is very apparent, as stated before, that you are directly in line with the "apologists" left wing "the U.S. is so bad" crowd, that run around the world apologizing for this wonderful Nation. Oh my goodness, Rush would have a field day with you. But then again, because you apparently "listen" to him, you already know that, and what the term "apologist" means. We're responsible for 911, right?
Germany is a sovereign nation, and was so during WW2. I would guess according to you,(another one of many questions that I believe was previously asked and not answered by you), we shoulda just left Germany and Hitler alone... Auf Wiedersehen

Dave DU said...

Some really goods points in there Mrs C.

Not bad for an ex "baggage handler" lol!!!

Caver said...

Ok, DrWho, thank you. I think that's as close to a direct answer as I'm gonna get.

So, because you do not read in the NT that's its ok to de-claw an enemy that has sworn to annihilate every Jew in Israel and kill millions of you and then proceeds to develop the means to do so....well you made your point.

I don't agree but I appreciate your answering the question.

And yes, we know Israel will not be destroyed. Well, loosing 5,000,000 still leaves them 2,000,000. I wonder how those 5 million feel about this?

As for the NT authorizing this, well I believe you have neighbors confused with nations. In neither the NT nor OT does the bible require suicide....suicide is not required for either nations or individuals for that matter.

As for a preemptive attack being liberal talking points for the current Admin....that's ludicrous....this is being considered for only one reason, all of Obama's liberal attempts and feel good gestures sent to Iran's North side were returned up Obama's South side. This is the only option left. Its probably either this or loosing millions....and that isn't good for his PR image.

Oh, nice attempt at redirection again....but no.

Mrs.C said...

Dear Brother Dave, :)
LOL LOL "ex-baggage handler"?!
Good one mate, lol, Air Cargo Operations, not "baggage". Lots of "stuff" involved in loading the "belly" (as they used to say) of the aircraft. Believe me, most folks have no idea whats flying underneath them when they fly! lol
And BTW, I still have and cherish my Kangaroo pin from Qantas! :) KLM's pin just had a boring crown! lol
God Bless!

Dave DU said...

Sorry Mrs C, I always pictured you in the belly of a 747, hooking up nets and moving around baggage. Oh well my bad!! Lol.

Bless ya

Dave DU said...

Is that all they gave you; a stingy pin? "tight wads"

You think they would have given you a free flight or a sit in the captains chair whilst in flight or something like that!!!!

Embarrassed Dave!!!!!!!!!

Mrs.C said...

Dear Brother Dave, :)
LOL please, dont be embarrassed :)
We were on contract with about 7 International airlines, each with their own policies. Qantas did for a very brief time, offer some of us the opportunity to fly non-revenue. At the time, I couldnt go to your most beautiful nation, as I had my young daughter to care for and other obligations. Prior to that, I had flight benefits with a different Domestic carrier, and a completely different job that was indirectly connected to that airline. Went to Hawaii for a weekend once (that was fun), and other destinations, but that was before my girl was born. Funny how children change your priorities! :)
God Bless!