In a jaw-dropping interview with Fox News’ Martha MacCallum, White House National Security Communications Advisor John Kirby struggled to provide clear answers about a bizarre and alarming series of drone sightings in New Jersey.
MacCallum, unimpressed by Kirby’s evasions, grilled him relentlessly on why the administration hasn’t even bothered to shoot down one of these drones to uncover their origins.
Instead of providing clarity, Kirby fumbled through talking points about “policy options” and “inter-agency conversations.” His repeated refrain of “we don’t know” underscored what critics have described as the Biden administration’s signature approach to crises—delay, deflect, and deny.
During the interview, MacCallum confronted Kirby over his outrageous claim during the White House press briefing, where he brushed off more than 3,000 reports of “car-sized drones” as mere misidentifications of helicopters or airplanes.
Martha MacCallum:
A lot of people were unhappy with that comment you made yesterday and felt like you were telling people they were nuts or that they didn’t know what they were seeing with their own eyes.
John Kirby:
No, not at all, Martha. That’s the farthest thing that I would ever do. I was simply reiterating what the FBI and what the Department of Homeland Security have relayed to us about what they’ve been able to corroborate. We haven’t been able to corroborate everything. I said many of the corroborated sightings have turned out to be piloted aircraft. I didn’t say all of them.
And what I said was those are the ones we were able to corroborate. There’s certainly ones that we have not been able to, and we don’t know the answer to it. And I strongly recommend that for folks that are seeing these things and documenting them to share that as they can with Department of Homeland Security and the FBI, the investigator.
Kirby couldn’t even look at the photographic evidence presented during the interview as he conveniently turned off his monitor to avoid distractions. MacCallum called out the absurdity of the situation, asking how a former admiral and current top White House official could dismiss clear visuals of the drones.
Martha MacCallum:
All right, well, let’s do that. Let’s share it with you right now. Let’s put up this photo. This is a close-up one. This is in Bernardsville, New Jersey. John, are you able to see this photo?
John Kirby:
No, ma’am.
Martha MacCallum:
You don’t have a monitor there?
John Kirby:
No, actually, I turned the monitor off. It distracted me, so I didn’t see it.
Martha MacCallum:
All right. Well, you’ll have to take a look at it after, but I can describe it to you. It is large. It has a white bar that goes through the middle. The right-hand side is half-lit up white on the top and red on the bottom. The other side is green. You’re a former military person yourself. You’re an admiral. You’re the White House National Security Communications Advisor. I’m sure you’ve seen some of these images. What is it that we’re looking at?
John Kirby:
It’s difficult for me to tell you, Martha. We don’t really know. It’s possible that some of these things could be commercial drones developed for commercial purposes. It’s also possible that they could be owned by private citizens.
During the interview, MacCallum revisited the infamous Chinese spy balloon in 2023, which was allowed to drift across the entire U.S. before being shot down over the Atlantic.
The Biden regime was aware of the Chinese spy balloon in US airspace before reports of it hit the news.
The Biden administration initially ignored the threat, hoping the balloon would not be detected. But after amateur photographers captured the balloon flying over Montana, Biden White House had to admit they knew about the balloon.
Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said the U.S. military had to shut down communications and movements last week as the China spy balloon flew over strategic military bases during its week-long flyover of the United States from Alaska to South Carolina. The balloon was only shot down after it went offshore. Joe Biden claimed the spy balloon gathering intel over US military bases was “not a major breach.”
Then, the National Security Council finally admitted that the Chinese spy balloon was able to gather intelligence from several sensitive American military bases.
Martha MacCallum:
Why don’t we know, John? That’s the point. Why doesn’t the United States government know? It seems silly. It feels a lot like the Chinese spy balloon. At first, it was like, “Oh, we don’t know, it’s not a problem.” Then we watched it go all the way across the country, and we kept hearing, “We’re not really sure where it came from,” until we saw it pop and float down over the ocean.
John Kirby:
That’s not quite how it went. We were very honest with the American people that we knew it was Chinese, and we knew where it was going to go. We were pretty comfortable given the analysis that there wasn’t going to be an intelligence we were threatened by it. Again, we shot it down once it was over safe waters and it wasn’t going to hurt anybody.
But back to this, why don’t we know? I wish I could tell you exactly why we don’t have an answer for you here in the afternoon on the 13th of December. But I can tell you that we are working on it very, very hard to know because we want to answer those questions the same as those folks in New Jersey want answers to them. We are working on this very, very hard. We are now applying.
There was an inter-agency conversation this morning about this topic where we have now to employ some additional technology to New Jersey and some additional personnel to try to get a better sense of what these things are. As I said yesterday, Martha, as soon as we know, we’re going to be transparent as we can.
MacCallum blasted Kirby on how an administration presiding over an $824 billion defense budget not have basic answers about objects invading American airspace.
MacCallum asked if the administration had considered shooting down one of the drones to finally get some answers. Kirby said they couldn’t do it because “it could hit somebody’s house or hurt somebody.”
Kirby’s reluctance to shoot down one of these drones, even over safe waters, citing policy and safety concerns, only adds to the frustration. With drones reportedly following a U.S. Coast Guard ship, the question of national security becomes even more pressing. What are we waiting for? Another potential espionage incident?
Martha MacCallum:
I got to tell you, this is shocking. I’m not the only person who feels this way. This was happening at Langley a month ago. These people are not crazy. They’re seeing these things with their own eyes. This is not normal behavior. They’re not planes that are coming in one direction, and they’re heading into Newark Airport, and then they’re landing. We spend $824 billion on defense. We have the greatest intelligent capability in the world. How can you stand there and say to the country right now, Gosh, darn, we just don’t know what these are.
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