Friday, November 8, 2013

Iran-Israel: Approaching The End Game

We're almost ready to see the issue between Iran and Israel reach the final conclusion. Either Iran will develop a nuclear weapon or Israel will have the capability destroyed or interrupted by launching action against Iran's facilities. There aren't really any other scenarios in play. We know from biblical prophecy that Israel is not destroyed, as they would be from a nuclear weapon, therefore one could conclude that Israel will indeed take some action against Iran. In the aftermath of such action, the safe bet would be that the radical Islamic regions surrounding Israel will become highly inflamed, leading to the prophetic fulfillment of Ezekiel 38-39, also known as the battle of Gog-MaGog. Of course Isaiah 17 would come into play as well, most likely preceding Gog-MaGog. It also seems obvious that once Israel takes out Iran's nuclear facilities, Russia will also become involved as they not only have mutual defense agreements with Iran, but they also have many workers at these nuclear facilities. 

We are most definitely approaching this tipping point very rapidly:

Despite a softening tone from Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on the regime’s illicit nuclear program, the Islamic Republic is hardening its position on the right to enrich uranium.
An analysis by Fars News Agency, the Revolutionary Guards’ media outlet, said that Iran not only has the right to continue its nuclear program but to expand it dramatically to fulfill its needs.
The regime’s supreme leader said on Sunday that he is not optimistic about those negotiations and called America the most hated power in the world.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei also restated the regime’s view of Israel: “We have said since the very first day (of the Islamic Revolution), and we do say it now and we will say it in the future as well, that we believe the Zionist regime is an illegitimate and bastard regime.”

The Fars analysis, titled “What we want from the 5+1,” laid out the regime’s plans for its nuclear program and demanded:
  • A recognition of its right to nuclear energy and its need to expand the program.
  • All rights of Iran under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons must be recognized, including uranium enrichment.
  • Iran must have the right to expand its nuclear power plants and have the right to build anywhere in the country.
  • To fulfill the needs of these power plants, Iran must have the right to build further facilities for uranium enrichment anywhere in the country whether in a huge desert or under soaring mountains and increase the number of centrifuges.
  • Iran must have the right to export nuclear fuel and not be required to import such 

Iran’s chief nuclear negotiator signaled progress at talks with six powers Thursday on a deal to cap some of his country’s atomic programs in exchange for limited relief from sanctions stifling Iran’s economy, saying the six had accepted Tehran’s proposals on how to proceed.

According to Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iran and the P5+1 will begin drafting a nuclear agreement in Geneva on Friday. US officials said Secretary of State John Kerry will fly to Geneva on Friday to participate in the nuclear negotiations — a last minute decision that suggests a deal could be imminent.

According to the Telegraph, the deal’s four main points were that Iran would stop enriching uranium to 20 percent and convert its existing stockpile into harmless uranium oxide. Iran would be able to continue enrichment to 3.5% purity necessary for nuclear power plants — but would agree to limit the number of centrifuges running for this purpose. The inactive centrifuges would be able to remain intact. Iran would also agree not to activate its plutonium reactor at Arak, which could provide an alternative route to a nuclear weapon, during the six-month period. Lastly, Iran would agree not to use the advanced IR-2 centrifuges, which enrich uranium three to five times faster than the older model.
In return, the British paper reported, the US “would ease economic sanctions, possibly by releasing some Iranian foreign exchange reserves currently held in frozen accounts” and ease “some restrictions on Iran’s petrochemical, motor and precious metals industries.”
As talks in Geneva moved ahead, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu cautioned against any deal that kept Iran’s nuclear program intact, saying “I believe adopting the proposals is a mistake of historic proportions. They must be rejected outright.”

Tehran’s chief nuclear negotiator, Abbas Araqchi, told Iranian state TV that the six — the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany — “clearly said that they accept the proposed framework by Iran.” He later told CNN that he thinks negotiators at the table are now “ready to start drafting” an accord that outlines specific steps to be taken.

Warily watching from the sidelines, Israel warned against a partial agreement that foresees lifting sanctions now instead of waiting for a rigorous final accord that eliminates any possibility of Iran making nuclear weapons.
At a meeting with US legislators in Jerusalem, Netanyahu spoke of “the deal of the century for Iran.” While divulging no details, he said the proposed first step at Geneva “will relieve all the (sanctions) pressure inside Iran.”

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged US Secretary of State John Kerry on Friday “not to rush to sign” a deal with Iran over its controversial nuclear program.

“I met Secretary Kerry right before he [left] to Geneva. I reminded him that he said that no deal is better than a bad deal. And the deal that is being discussed in Geneva right now is a bad deal. Iran is not required to take apart even one centrifuge. But the international community is relieving sanctions on Iran for the first time after many years,” he said.

“Iran gets everything that it wanted at this stage and pays nothing. And this is when Iran is under severe pressure. I urge Secretary Kerry not to rush to sign, to wait, to reconsider, to get a good deal. But this is a bad deal, a very, very bad deal. It’s the deal of a century for Iran; it’s a very dangerous and bad deal for peace and the international community,” Netanyahu added.

Earlier Friday, Netanyahu told Kerry that Israel was not bound by any nuclear deal the West makes with Iran on its controversial nuclear program.

“This is a very bad deal. Israel utterly rejects it and what I am saying is shared by many, many in the region, whether or not they express it publicly. Israel is not obliged by this agreement and Israel will do everything it needs to defend itself, to defend the security of its people,” he affirmed.
Turning to seemingly address Kerry’s scathing critique Thursday night on Channel 2 of Israel’s West Bank policies, Netanyahu said: “I will never compromise on Israel’s security and our vital interests, not in the face of any international pressure. I think the pressure has to be put where it belongs, that is, on the Palestinians who refuse to budge. But I think in any case, no amount of pressure will make me or the government of Israel compromise on the basic security and national interests of the State of Israel. The people of Israel know this and they support it, as they should.”

Secretary of State John Kerry appears to have shed the last vestige of a U.S. honest broker role in pursuing an Israeli-Palestinian peace accord.
While conducting shuttle diplomacy with stops in Israel, the West Bank and Jordan, Kerry unleashed a torrent of sharply critical remarks about Israel and its government.
If current peace negotiations fall apart, Kerry warned Israelis that the result would be a third intifada of terrorist attacks against Israel.
But that was just for starters.
In addition, Kerry said, Israel would be more internationally isolated, there would be increased calls for boycotts and divestment from Israel, and the advent of a Palestinian leadership committed to violence.
For good measure, Kerry also denounced Jewish settlements in the West Bankas "illegitimate" and called for an end of the presence of "IDF soldiers perpetually in the West Bank."
Kerry's remarks fit perfectly with the Palestinian playbook. His anti-Israel outbursts were bound to play well in Ramallah and Amman. But in Israel, they left a bitter impression of an Obama administration determined to score points with Palestinians and Arab regimes at Israel's existential expense.
In response to Kerry, Israeli officials said they won't bow to his "intimidation tactics."  They also warned that Kerry's remarks will harm the peace process by encouraging the Palestinians not to compromise.  With Kerry on their side, why should they?
Obama's successful visit to Israel earlier this year was just torpedoed by his secretary of state, who presumably wasn't just speaking for himself, but also for his boss.

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WVBORN56 said...

After reading about the Obama administrations treatment of Israel today Genesis 12:3 comes to mind again.

America is in for some very very bad times.... dead ahead. Thanks Mr. Obama, Mr Kerry and Mrs. Clinton. You have sold us out and betrayed our friends.

harnessandleash said...

As Christians, of course, we would all love to see revival take place in our country, and we long for a strong, strategically pro-Israli defensive administration instead of what we have. Though it is heartbreaking to watch what's happening to/in our country I think it's important to continuously remind ourselves that, as students of prophecy, God's larger plan is unfolding. Remember, this "story" has already been written & God knows all the details. I'm not endorsing that we should ever stop, "praying for the peace of Jerusalem," no, never, but we know that "all" nations will be against Israel"-- unfortunately, that includes the US too. As events continue to unfold I am more thankful than ever that God's salvation plan is an individually based one-- we all stand before Him alone to give an account. The important question to ask ourselves is, what am I doing to respond to... "I will bless those who bless you (Israel) and I will curse those who curse you,"-- what am I doing to bless Israel? Yes, there are consequences for Obama's policies as a nation, but individually we are to, "be about our Father's business" when the Lord returns. "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem" actually means we are praying for His return because that's the only way there will ever BE peace.

WVBORN56 said...

Amen harnessandleash! Well said. I never thought about praying for the peace of Jerusalem like that before. Come Lord Jesus! I know the bigger picture but it is frustrating to see the evil explode and over take our Nation. Good reminder.

Sandra said...

harness and leash, thank you for your comments...I agree with all you have stated. Evil is expanding but God knows these things. Sandra

Sandra said...

Curious do you do harness horses?

harnessandleash said...

My name is Karalee. My online name, HarnessandLeash, is actually in honor of my Golden Retriever who is my service dog. She wears a harness every time we go out the door, but at home you will find her in her favorite position-- on her back with her feet in the air (of course).

The little nugget of truth (about praying for the peace of Jerusalem) was first made popular by Zola Levitt. Zola was a great Bible teacher & was a Messianic Jew (one who believed in Jesus as Messiah). His TV show (Zola Levitt Presents) first introduced many of us to prophecy. Zola is with the Lord now, but he used to always close each of his programs by saying Psalm 122:6, first in Hebrew, and then in English. He explained the meaning of the verse to be that it meant we were praying for the Lord's return.

Sandra said...

Hi Karalee,

Thank you for the explanation, I have a Yorkie who enjoys the same sleep position. Also thank you for your continued comments as I have always felt we should pray for the Lord's return...Be Blessed!

Caver said...

Thank you also for that comment and explanation. We here second the endorsement of very knowledgeable and insightful teacher. Mrs C and I are both far richer in understanding due to his insights.

One other note...there is another possibility as to what stops Iran. Its one I'm increasingly leaning toward....a "natural" event, such as an earthquake.

With all the detail the Lord gave us about this time, it just seems He would have mentioned a conflict of this size.

harnessandleash said...

In response to Caver.
It seems to me the scenarios of how things could play out are endless. We know Iran aligns with Russia for Armageddon. Whether Iran obtains nuclear capability or not, most military experts agree-- wars are won, or lost, by ground invasion. If they do obtain the bomb they may defer from using it (for reasons currently unknown. If God (or Israel) intercede & prevents Iran from going further nuclear-ly, that may be what precipitates the Armageddon countdown. The Prussians invented the game of Chess-- it's all a mind game with them.

Stephen said...


dow at records again.

really sad that so MANY are praying
for America, cos NOW the end will
be delayed a LONG LONG TIME.

there is an old saying, be careful
what you wish for, you may just get

If many are asking for time extensions for the USA, then we could go to records for YEARS
and years.

stock bulls are not stupid, they are already re acting.

up and up.

Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Stephen said...

Iran already has nukes. why does
the MEDIA keep playing these stupid
games ??

they must have ATLEAST 10 ready
to go bombs by now.

that is why they are willing to
deal with the USA in Geneva.

they have nothing to lose.

they are where they need to be.

when will the MEDIA see the truth ??

or do they care ??

probably not.

Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

harnessandleash said...

Though Iran may have the bomb they may lack delivery capability. Netanyahu must see something lacking in Iran's ability or he would've acted by now.

As Paul makes clear, the course of this world follows the leadership and design of Satan, the "prince of the power of the air." The media operates in over-the-air digital television/radio frequencies. Satan's domain.

If prayer does effect God's movement, or lack of movement prophetically, it only means He is long suffering, wishing that none should perish. Given the fact that eternity is a really, really long time maybe praying for others to come to know the Lord before it's too late isn't such a bad thing.

Stephen said...

then I have to assume that you are
bullish ?? harness ??


do you own stock ??

(must be u do)

please tell me

Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

harnessandleash said...

I'm bullish (optimistic) in the fact that God is ultimately in control of everything. I'm bearish in that we (as believers) can take advantage of the current course of history to help bring the lost to salvation. Neither of which has much to do with the stock market. "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
As a matter of fact I do own a small amount of Israeli stock. I view all my possessions as being from God & belonging to Him. He can do with what He wants, bull it or bear it-- the loss, or gain, is all His.

Stephen said...


then what is your definition of
being bearish in your statement ??

Please elaborate...

Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Mrs.C said...

Forgive me, but I have to respectfully disagree. Iran as a pathetic follower of Russia, Gog, is not a Tribulation event, Armageddon as you state. It is a separate war/invasion that occurs before the Trib. It makes no matter whether Iran has “the bomb” or not, as most important of all, we know from Gods Word that Israel is not destroyed by a nuke.
As Bibi has said for many years, Israel is so small that only one nuke would take her out, and again, we know that does not happen, ever. Whether Israel attacks Iran, or a giant
Earthquake hits Iran, what we know for sure is something will indeed happen to Iran before the Ezekiel 38 invasion/war.
The Judgments to come in Ezekiel Chapters 25-32, to the nations surrounding Israel is clear. Fascinatingly in Chapter 32, God tells us that His Judgment will come upon Elam. Elam is the ancient land in Iran that is within the Bushehr Province, where we know one of Irans Nuke plants is located. As these evil people in Iran are all about deception, and games, we really cant compare that evil to being superior in intellect. After all, as their deception and lying is so prevalent, the truth I believe they did not invent the game of Chess but rather India did…and Iran will loose big time with this game…coming soon, the check mate will be on them, by the Hand of God Almighty Himself...

Caver said...

harnessandleash, Interesting perspective but it sounds like the Gog/Magog event was bypassed. Armageddon is a trib event, invasion of Ez 38-39 is a precursor and appears to us a near but pretrib event.

harnessandleash said...

"Bear"market condition- prices are falling, and widespread pessimism causes negative sentiment. I used the word "bearish" not to mean myself as being pessimistic, but rather the pessimism of society should move us as believers to continuously be on the lookout for opportunities to share the only Hope there is with people- the Hope in Christ.

Mrs. C
No forgiveness in disagreeing is necessary. It's been my experience that internet conversation has it's limitations-- (I.e.) you can't interpret inflection in someone's tone of voice, and too much can be read into, or left out, of a person's comments. Those limitations in mind, I'll try to elaborate. I don't believe, and never have, that Israel will be destroyed by a nuclear attack. It's my belief that it's possible to place only some of the major end-time events in a specific chronological order. Going beyond the obvious events, and stating exactly what, or when, certain things will happen (again, in my opinion) gets into personal speculation-- that's why we have so many opinions out there. I think if God wanted us to know things exactly the way they would play out He would've given us a more concise chronological list of events-- this, then this, then this. I think the reason for the Lord's ambiguity is so that we WOULDN'T know exactly, causing us to be much more vigilant. Therefore, I really try not to dispute another person's opinion unless it's something that really jumps out at me as being totally contrary to scripture. Having said that, there are many Eschatological scholars who believe Armageddon is the culminating war that takes place and the Lord cuts it short by His second coming. I'm aware of the other opinions that exist.

It wasn't until after the Delhi sultunate, that India was relatively free of Iranian conquests- the Indian culture & peoples were greatly intermingled with Persian. From India, the game of chess spread to Persia. When the Arabs conquered Persia, chess was taken up by the Muslim world and subsequently spread to Southern Europe. I stand corrected in referencing the Prussians as "inventors" of the game & should have said "proliferators" of the game.

Thanks for the oportunity to clarify.