Greek vote would be on euro membership
Greece's Prime Minister George Papandreou on Monday called the unexpected referendum, citing the need for wider political backing for the fiscal measures and structural reforms demanded by international lenders.
The vote is seen bringing uncertainty back to markets and threatening Europe with a new crisis after euro zone leaders only last week agreed on the last-minute bailout deal.
"The situation is so tight that basically it would be a vote over their euro membership," Alexander Stubb, the Finnish minister of European affairs and foreign trade
Banks Sink on Greek Vote Bombshell
French banks and other lenders exposed to Greece and other weak euro zone countries slumped on Tuesday after Greece's leader said he would put a bailout plan to a referendum, raising the risk of a disorderly default.
It looks like it could create a cascade effect:
If Greek voters reject the unpopular bailout plan it could result in a "hard default", which could force banks to take losses of about 75 percent on their Greek sovereign bonds..."If we get a hard default in Greece, it will exacerbate the situation with Italy and Spain. It just increases the problem of Italy going down the same route, and that's the real risk," Lim said.
Greece's referendum is expected to take place in a few weeks, adding uncertainty about the bailout to a febrile mood in the European financial sector.
Next up is a very interesting article, especially given that you can see Mr Soros' fingerprints all over it:
Next target of protesters: U.S. dollar?
A group working with Occupy Wall Street is proposing a global alternative currency system to replace the currencies of individual nations.
"Occupy Wall Street and subsequent occupations prove that the people are eager for a new system," states OWS Currency. "Let's help them build it."
The online working group is being coordinated by the Foundation for Peer-to-Peer Alternatives, or P2P Foundation, which writes its mission is to "produce free/opensource technologies that help people create their own alternatives to the Federal Reserve Note and the system upon which it derives it's strength."
The currency project seeks to utilize several conceptual organizations already in existence that are attempting to create an alternative currency, including something called BitCoin, an experimental "digital currency ... that enables instant payments to anyone, anywhere in the world."
Among those public intellectuals is Lawrence Lessig, creator of Creative Commons.
WND previously reported Lessig works closely with Robert W. McChesney, an avowed Marxist who favors the dismantling of capitalism.
McChesney founded Free Press, a George Soros-funded organization with close ties to the White House that petitions for more government control of the news media.
New recession 'will lead to civil unrest worldwide'
The grim warning from the International Labour Organisation came as leaders of the G20 rich nations prepared to meet for a crisis summit in Cannes this week.
"We have reached the moment of truth. We have a brief window of opportunity to avoid a major double-dip in employment," said Raymond Torres, director of the ILO's International Institute for Labour Studies.
In 45 out of 118 countries examined, the risk of social unrest is rising, according to the World of Work Report 2011.
Israel warns West: Window of opportunity to thwart Iran nuclear program is closing
Israeli ambassadors in Western countries have been instructed to inform high-ranking politicians that the window of opportunity for imposing effective sanctions on Iran is closing, as part of a renewed diplomatic offensive aimed at using new sanctions to stop Tehran from developing a nuclear bomb.
The ambassadors were asked to tell the equivalent of the foreign ministries and prime minister's offices in the countries where they are serving that there isn't much time left to stop the nuclear program through diplomatic means.
Report: Israel seeking to upgrade its nuclear weapons capabilities
Israel is working on improving its nuclear weapons capabilities, according to a report by the independent Trident commission in the United Kingdom that was published in the Guardian newspaper on Monday.
According to the report in the Guardian, Israel is extending the range of its Jericho 3 land-to-land missiles so they will have the capabilities of transcontinental missiles.
Palestine Hopes To Join 16 Other UN Agencies Within Weeks
Yesterday, the Blaze reported that Palestine was granted full membership to UNESCO. The United States promptly followed this development by cutting funding to the agency. But it seems Palestine is nowhere near done working toward U.N. acceptance.
On Tuesday, Palestinians’ top envoy in Geneva said he believes that joining the U.N. agency for culture, education and science will “open the door” to joining 16 other U.N. agencies within weeks.
“Now we are studying when we are going to move for full membership on the other U.N. agencies,” Khraishi said. “It’s our target for (us to join) the international organizations and the U.N. agencies.”
He said the UNESCO vote sets a precedent to allowing such broad memberships.
PA Chairman Abbas: I Will Never Recognize a Jewish State; The Capturing of Israeli Soldier Gilad Shalit Was a Good Thing
Mahmoud Abbas: "First of all, let me make something clear about the story of the 'Jewish state.'
"They started talking to me about the 'Jewish state' only two years ago, discussing it with me at every opportunity, every forum I went to – Jewish or non-Jewish – asking: 'What do you think about the "Jewish state"?' I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I will never recognize the Jewishness of the state, or a 'Jewish state.'" [...]
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Soros' organizations are shape shifting faster by the week. It's mind boggling how it's rapidly coming together for the global currency to be introduced when the One World Leader makes his debut.
Soros is also pushing the Move Your Money pledge to promote a run on the banks. It's scheduled for 5 November.
I came across a shocking article in which American students are being indocrinated to accept a dictatorship and that US presidents can be tried for war crimes under the UN model. And Ban Ki Moon is promoting this.
Also breaking....United States fears uncoordinated Israeli attack on Iran.
Scott, so much news is breaking that I fear you will be burning the midnight oil and will succumb to exhaustion and fall asleep on the keyboard.
Hello Scott
I can’t pretend to understand this ‘occupy’ stuff going on? What you have on Wall Street was prevented by our Government so they went to the nearest available site. This is in front of the steps of St.Pauls Cathedral.
Yesterday, the Dean said he found his situation untenable – he later resigned his post. This was followed by another churchman as the protestors successfully closed St. Pauls for services. The last time that happened was WW2.
It has been said that other ‘ministers’ had been backing the demonstrators encouraging a time of change. I can’t prove it, but it sounds ominously like the Emergent church in action to me – they have a socialist agenda!
God is shaking!
Maranatha!
Sue
Interesting- bit currency.... byte by byte. In order to transfer anywhere, anytime, each individual will need a unique number... Our eyes are opened to what this will lead to, but you can easily see how they will deceive the "lost" into this type of system. So subtle, gradual steps that folks will accept. All that is needed is a few more crises.....
Praying for the lost
Blessings,
am
Geared up . . .i think Scott posted a link recently to a story about a suspected unilateral attack by Israel on Iran. It's looking more and more like that will happen.
I came across this story this morning reporting that Syria may have received nuke technology from Pakistan. Could add a little weight to Assad's threat of an earthquake if Syria is attacked:
Indications Syria Received Nukes From Pakistan
Ann Marie . . .with regard to "the mark" . . .the technology exists, certainly, but I don't believe it will appear until after we're gone. Once the mark is received, people lose all chance of salvation, they're lost forever. That can only happen when the Church (and Grace) is removed and the earth falls back to Judaic Law for Daniel's 70th Week.
Robin, yes, I agree, I'm just seeing how things are lining up for this being imposed-- I believe the mark is imposed at mid point in tribulation.
Being a techie, I know the technology exists.
am
GearedUp . . .if those silly gooses wish a run on the banks on November 5 . . .a Saturday . . .they might want to rethink it :)
Hi Miss Robin, best evidence indicates Sadam did, in fact, have huge stores of biological weapons and they were taken to Syria for storage. Its well known that he developed huge chemical and bio weapons production. Its not as well known how far he progressed on the nuclear front.
For sure, the chemical and biological weapons Assad can bring down on Israel is formidable. Israel will threat them the same as nuclear.
Assad is right about one thing...if he or Hezbo launches one of them....it will be a firestorm through the entire region.
Also, the Nov 5 = Saturday just brings the biggest smile to me little face. still chuckling.....
Robin, well, what can you say about the Soros/protestor parasites on parade plan? They want to get their $$ out before the Elenin/YU55 flyby/FEMA broadcast system announcement/next cold front. : P As we'd say around here, "He ain't right." : P
Hi Caver :) While I completely agree with you about Hussein's WMDs being shuffled off to Syria . . .it does appear Syria could possibly have nukes as well. With Pakistan sharing it's technology (long suspected) and the Lose Nukes (according to Soros pals at the CFR), from the breakup of the Soviet Union.
Isaiah 17 tells us Damascus will be destroyed before the sunrises next morning. I have a hard time believing, what could only be a nuclear weapon, would be due to a preemptive strike to take out suspected WMDs. A far more likely scenario, in my mind, is a pre-emptive strike by Israel on WMDs in Syria which is blown out of proportion by a desperate dictator intent on controlling his masses and escalates to either a launch of a nuclear weapon or a threat of a launch . . .that causes Israel to strike the city of Damascus.
Either way, the world will surely strongly condemn Israel for it's actions and the persecution of Jews will heat up on a scale not seen before.
Hi Sister Robin, :)
Yes indeed, it wont take much to light the fuse. It could indeed be a pre-emptive strike by Israel, as Isaiah 17 begins with the destruction of Damascus.
It could also be an attack from Hezbollah, as Bibi for years now has made it clear, any strike on Israel, and it will be "Damascus", not "Syria", but specifically they named Damascus that they will hold responsible. Both Hamas and Hezbollah are headquartered there. A chemical weapon launched on Israel, would do it. They, with their history, would be horrified, and respond with no mercy.
Damascus is just the beginning, it will tumble like dominos. Jordan would be next, followed by the West Bank. There will most likely be missiles flying everywhere as the fog of war creeps in, and much death and destruction not only in Damascus. The battle will then change, and Israel will be in fight for their very existence. Gods Word tells us that His People will suffer "desolation".
Oh yes my Sister, the hatred towards Israel will be hardened in the hearts of their enemies.
God Bless!
Wave Counts indicate that BIG
trouble lies ahead, BUT I am
very concerned about the Gold
bulling this am.....if that
continues, then STOCKS WILL RALLY
back, for sure....
They have moved TOGETHER for quite
a while, no reason to doubt it
going forward.
Also, DOLLAR UP BIG two days in a row.
We will just have to watch and see.
If Gold and Silver start to crack
HARD with stocks, then there is
BIG trouble coming.
Otherwise, the dow may ahead back
ABOVE 12,000 again.
so i am confused at the moment.
Stay tuned....
Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Yup, Miss Robin...yup, yup, yup.
There be a whole bunch of unaccounted for nukes since the Soviet Mice went feet up and who knows what kind of sparkly trinkets Pakistan and NK have been peddling as of late.
Stephen,
Do you work with the stock market as a profession? You are quite knowledgeable about the subject.
Kathleen
I have a feeling that by the time that the mark is in play that everyone will know who and what God is. So by accepting the mark, that person will by their own knowledge and freewill deny God a place in their life. They'll know fullwell what they're deciding and hopefully know the consequences. That's just my view on things. If someone knows more, feel free to correct me.
Dylan
I absolutely agree with that.
And the fate of those who do take the mark:
"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice "If anyone worships the beast and his inage and receives his mark on the forehead or the hand, he too will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of His wrath."
(Rev 14:9-10)
Geared - as far as your second comment above, thanks for giving DrNo some material to use on me as far as my age :)
Ok, so I was reading Matthew 24 tonight, and I came across something that I hadn't noticed before. In verses 29-31, it's clearly talking about the second coming; but verse 31 made me wonder something. It says, "And He will send forth His angels with a Great Trumpet and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other." Is this a sort of "second rapture" that takes place at the end of the tribulation? I can see people using this as support for a post-trib rapture as well. Any thoughts on this to help clarify would be appreciated. Thanks.
Please do not believe everything thing you read from the CFR or bloggers like me. Saddam had to go because he was secular and would resist the Caliphate. Babies were never dumped from incubators in Kuwait as a pretext for the first Gulf War. Al Queda's flag is now flying above Libya and our troops are protecting the poppyfields of Afghanistan.
The powers that be can orchestrate the masses on the streets of London to Tripoli.
Robin- The bank run date of November 5th is linked to Guy Fawkes Day...
Remember, remember the 5th of November. He was caught while attempting to blow up Parlament and King in 1600s. It is also the basis of the movie V for Vendetta and many of the white masks you see at OWS.
Dylan, you are correct.
After we are gone and God reveals Himself in E39 and at the very beginning of the Trib, even before the mark is fully required, more & more people will begin to reveal their open, deliberate rebellion against God.
This is already beginning in the form of people saying: "Why can't I do what I want! I'm not hurting anyone! It's all consensual anyway... Why do I need to follow the outdated moral rules of a tyrannical God!
...if we join together, merge our minds, and evolve to the next level, as our leader has promised us, we can pop this old dude off his throne... [Gen. 3:5]
And thanx Scott for reminding me of Geared's comment...
;-D
I'd also like to hear Seth's question answered.
Seth
I believe thats a reference to the gathering which will take place in Jerusalem at the Second Coming - but its clearly assoc with the second coming - or just post second coming. There are variations on that theme, but I believe it could be a reference to the gathering of the sheep (assuming the 'goats' would be taken there by other means - or certainly not the same angels who would take the elect
This is also a contrast to the Rapture, in that - with the Rapture Jesus personally escorts His bride )1 Thess 4:16-18, 1 Thess 1:10, etc), no angels are involved in the Rapture.
I believe we were given this clear distinction for a reason too - ie, the whole purpose of clarifiying that Jesus personally gathers us at the Rapture, but at death and at this gathering (among others) - its always angels that do the 'gathering'.
Its one of the many aspects that is unique about the Rapture of the Church.
DrNo --- I still have SO much more material from the other day....heh :)....Just waiting.....that day will come.....
If any are interested, the link below shows a 3 minute speech from V which is the rallying cry of SOME of the OWS and SOME of the Tea Party.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY
Pat Buchanan recently defined Conservatism as trying to conserve elements of today's society for future generations. He then asked what are we to conserve today? Our morality? Our financial systems? Our domestic policy? Our foreign policy? Maybe we are running out of things to conserve.
DrWho
Thanks for pointing that out...I remember one of the articles posted a couple of weeks ago detailed a lot of what that movie (and book) was really all about (on second thought, I may not have posted it) - but ot was very revealing. Let me see if I can find it.
Seth and Dylan
Scott is correct!
The Re-Gathering of Israel Matt24:31; Mark13:27
Since the Jewish prophets had predicted in great detail the world-wide re-gathering of Israel, Jesus did not spend much time with this, but only specified that it will occur after His 2nd Coming.
The Matt. account reads: ‘and He shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.’
(the four winds that blow across the EARTH)
The Mark passage reads: ‘and then shall He send forth angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven’.
(from the EARTH, those still PHYSICALLY alive i.e. NOT glorified bodies)
(HEAVEN, the dead saints to resurrection)
Following the Second Coming, the Messiah will send HIS ANGELS all over the world to re-gather every Jew and bring them back into their Land. The background to the Matt passage is Isaiah 27:12-13, which prophesied that the final restoration of Israel will be signalled by the sound of a great Trumpet. The background to the Mark passage is Deut.30:4, which also emphasises that the final restoration will come from two localities; earth and Heaven. Those who are gathered from the uttermost parts of Heaven will be resurrected Old Testament saints. This part of the Olivet Discourse summarizes many Old Testament prophecies (e.g. Isaiah11:11-12:6; 43:5-8; 31:7-14; Ezek11:16-21; 20:40-42; 36:22-31, et al) , specifying that the final worldwide restoration will come only AFTER the 2nd Coming, and not before.
‘The Footsteps of the Messiah’ Appendix V ‘The Olivet Discourse’ Page 644 by Arnold Fruchtenbaum. http://arielministries.us
This verse is used by Post-trib as their ‘rapture’ verse. This is not in line with the Rapture scriptures e.g. the bodies of the living saints are not changed into immortality. These living saints are in their physical bodies and will enter into the Messianic Kingdom to re-populate the nation and land of Israel. Neither are they and the resurrected saints gather UP into the air as in the Rapture. As Scott said, the Rapture of the Church is a totally UNIQUE event
Sue
Archbishop Dr. Rowan Williams has spoken out for a ‘Robin Hood’ tax on banking. Protestors at St.Pauls Cathedral grudgingly said he should have done it sooner; but it was helpful that ‘the church’ is backing the call for change.
The Harlot stirs imo!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15550015
From the above link!
“…In his first substantial response to the protest, Dr Williams cited ideas put forward by the VATICAN for creating ethical regulation of financial markets.
He supported controversial proposals for the so-called Tobin tax - dubbed a "Robin Hood tax" by the FT - which would levy a small tax on share, bond and currency transactions with the proceeds reinvested in the "real economy".
Dr Williams said the best outcome from the unhappy controversies at St Paul's would be if such ideas could form the basis for "credible change in the financial world".
I.M.O. this is the Harlot spurring on the political Beast she sits astride.
Sue
EI and Scott. Thanks. I just had for some reason never noticed that verse before, but it stuck out like a sore thumb last night. I'm a FIRM believer in pre-trib rapture, so that wasn't ever a question. I was just curious what it was talking about. My brain was mush after the day I had at work, so I probably shouldn't have tried reading something so deep, but oh well. =)
Hello Seth
That was a God-incidence; not sleepiness imo! Just you wait and see, something will pop up in connection with that verse, and The Lord has PRE-pared you for it! :D
Dear Brothers & Sisters ~
I hope today's post finds you all doing well. It's with a sad heart that I felt compelled to post this one time for various reasons. I have read the posts from the past few days and I believe many have meant well but to some degrees may have come across differently than intended or things could quite possibly have been perceived different than intended. I believe God is using us all to deliver many wonderful messages in these last days; some may be a little harder to deifier than others but, I believe we are all trying to do his work for the betterment of glorifying God in these last days.
God has been pressing upon my heart two distinct words and meanings:
Restoration - restoring of something removed: the return of something that was removed or abolished
Resolution - process of resolving: the process of resolving something such as a problem or dispute
He has pressed upon me the need for a 'heart-check' if you will. He has pressed upon me a need for us at times to add better clarity to situations when speaking maybe a preface point may be helpful; I am not sure, as it is up to each one of us and our personal relationship with God to seek his ways in all that we do prior to launching out to do his will.
I am sorry if this message doesn't fit the platform that was originally designed by Scott. Learning this week in EI's postings, I too learned something new and for that I am sorry if any of my posts have offended. Since I have sent many here who are not even saved or may be new in their walk with Christ; I don't want to just leave them in limbo with the talks this week. I hope you all can understand my heart on this. I love you all. I will never be up to the capacity of some of these teachings and I thank you all for allowing your hearts to share over the months that you have. I will continue to learn and grow but only in the spirit of love that the Lord represents.
Here are the messages I have received for all. I am going with the NIV versions for the newbie's. Keep the faith all.
God Bless!!
GG
(Con't)
We know that the rapture is imminent . We know it will be sudden, unexpected and catch many by surprise.
Matthew 24:4-14
New International Version (NIV)
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
The 'Great Lie'
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
New International Version (NIV)
9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Our 'Blessed Hope'
This is very important to my heart because we have a great chasm between having our 'Blessed Hope' and those who are not save without any hope.
1 Thessalonians 4:14
New International Version (NIV)
14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
Do you believe in the death of Christ for our sins and his resurrection and eternal life in the heavenly kingdom? If not it is time for a 'heart-check'. You can confess your sins or rebellion to Christ and invite him into your life to become your personal Lord and Savior. Let him know you believe he sent his one and only son to die on the cross for your sins and the sins of the world. Repent of your sins and let him know you give yourself only to him, to the best you possibly know how, and declare that you would like to serve him all the days of your life. Amen!! Welcome my child to the Kingdom of God.
2 Peter 3:11-14
New International Version (NIV)
11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.[a] That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.
2 Peter 3:18
New International Version (NIV)
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
Thanks for that GG :)
Hello GG
May The Lord bless you and keep you in His tender love and care.
Sola Fide – the cry of the Reformation ‘Faith Alone’ by God’s Grace we are saved through FAITH and not works. Eph2:8,9. The R.C. church had added ‘extra’s to be saved by. This was the drive behind the Reformation when men like Luther realised there is only ONE God given condition to be declared Justified from sin – Faith! RC has added several more conditions since then, and so has the ‘reformed’ church. FAITH and *** = works, which are not of God but religiosity. The additions to Faith Alone include repentance, confession, making Jesus Lord; baptism …
This error is based upon confusing Justification (Stage 1 Salvation – to be born again) and Sanctification (stage 2 Salvation of – on-going walk in Christ of those already Justified) Stage 3 Salvation is Glorification when we see Him we shall be perfect like Him) Repentance is said to be a ‘condition of coming into harmonious fellowship with God for the believer.
The Synoptic Gospels do agree with John’s Gospel as FAITH being the only condition for Justification; but whereas John never mentions repentance for Justification, it appears, on first glance that the Synoptics are adding repentance to Faith alone.
The simplest explanation is the Jews had to ‘change their minds’ (repent) about the Messiah they all expected. Some Jewish religious leaders had ‘changed their minds’ (repented) and did see that Jesus was indeed the promised Messiah. However they chose not to put their FAITH into Messiah Jesus to save from sin; so although they changed their minds about Messiah, they were not born again with a new human spirit. It was a hurdle all Jews and Proselytes had to overcome before they could Believe IN Messiah Jesus to save from sin. The Synoptics were written chiefly to Jewish believers and BEFORE the Temple was destroyed in AD 70.
John wrote his Gospel after the destruction of the Temple; so there was no ‘going back’ to the old sacrificial system of Moses which is why Hebrews was written. John had no need to call the Jews to repentance, which literally means ‘after thought’ as the way back into the law was laying destroyed in Jerusalem
The reason it is important NOT to say to a un-believer ‘you must feel sorry for your sin’ using the word ‘repent’, is because an un-believer is incapable of turning away from sin, and neither is it what ‘repent’ means.
Rom.3:10-18 This is a hurdle too far, and many don’t follow through with Faith IN Christ to save because they honestly know they can’t turn away from sin. It is only the born-again, with the power of the Holy Spirit that aids us to say ‘no’ to sin and self, and ‘yes’ to God. The restoration required is a returning to the Biblical condition for Justification which is by God’s Grace through Faith and NO additions.
Ephesians 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
The ‘gift’ is Salvation offered freely, to be received with faith i.e. our own free will to choose or reject.
Romans 3:10-18
10.As it is written:
“ There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “ Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“ The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “ Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “ Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “ There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
Cont.
Cont.
In opposition to Scripture; some falsely teach that Christians no longer sin or we don’t sin as badly as before we were saved. This is obviously not true and neither is it Biblical.
Romans 3:23 For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. The above list is as true of believers as the un-saved. The ONE difference between us and the world is the shed Blood of Jesus Christ who died as our substitute, we don’t stop sinning, but by heavens court we are DECLARED by The Judge to be Justified. Christ takes on our un-righteousness and gives us His Righteousness.
We are accounted to be free from the penalty of sin because Jesus paid the full price in His own Blood
1John1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Which is where repentance comes because sandwiched in between these two statements is 1John1:9 *IF* we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” The Holy Spirit is leading us daily to make us ‘sanctified’ made clean so we can continue in FELLOWSHIP with our Holy Heavenly Father.
Now you know what a rotten sinner E.I. am ! It has been pointed out to everyone that you need to beware of Sue’s ‘bad fruit’. Well I don’t deny it; I can’t deny it. I am definitely a SINNER, but I am a sinner saved by the Blood of Christ Jesus who has saved me from the PENALTY of all my sin. SIN is no longer an ISSUE because Jesus died for the sin of the WHOLE world. All the law and the sacrifices have been fulfilled by Jesus’ sacrifice on that barbaric cross. Does that mean we are free to sin willy nilly! NEVER! Not if we truly love God. Jesus plainly said to all believers in John 14:15 *IF* you love me, keep my commands.
Not obeying and not having abiding fellowship with The Father will be judged at the judgment Seat of Christ – the Bema; which is for EVERY believer. Here it isn’t SIN that is judged, but our WORKS on earth done in obedience to God’s Word which are described as Gold, Silver and precious stones that have been formed in the fire of affliction on earth, so these rewards will withstand the judgment fire of the Bema. For this we are given crowns.
However, if all we have done has been centred on self, then that produces nothing but hay, wood and stubble that is extremely flammable and all the dead, selfish works will result in NOTHING but the crown of Salvation we did not earn. What rewards COULD have been ours is taken away and given to others. We will be as ‘brands plucked from the burning’.
As sin has been defeated, and is not what sends to Eternal Death – what is the real issue? It is FAITH in God’s good Grace. Every sinner reading this has to accept Jesus Christ by Faith in Him to save from Sin and be given instead the promise of Eternal Life. You don’t have to change yourself first, Trust in Him and He will GIVE you the Holy Spirit to live inside you and HE will bring about a steady change with your co-operation day by day.
At this point I could progress to consider being heirs of God (for every believer) OR Heirs of Christ to those who have been chastened and by discipline,
Something to think on as I am incredibly tired.
God bless you.
E.I. / Sue
Maranatha!
Dear Sue~
I do appreciate hearing from you. I have to be honest, I once again am not sure what you are referring to at this point. You have to forgive me but I am so sick these days so going toe to toe and getting caught in a battle of wills is not high on my list right now and I am choosing to minimize my posts to preserve energy.
Are you referring to my prayer for sinners? If you have a better version, please by all means correct it and help the poor non-saved souls with something proper and correct. I know it has been a source of debate before, but today I wanted to get something delivered and SHARED as to what has been given to me. For being up so very early I felt that was within the parameters I had always believed in, in my walk wonderful walk with Christ. There was one sentence that came after, but I didn't want it left out either.
I did not wish to make it complicated, once again for the lay person nor telling them the exact words to use. I apologize, as we all are doing .............SOOO ..... much these days. Please-- offer up a solution, I humbly will take it. We cannot fight or delay as the hour is drawing near. :) We must remember the others who see these messages may not be where we are and they will simply go over their heads. They matter too unless that is not what is desired on this forum. I think it would be a wonderful opportunity to help them but I can re-direct my people if needed. I just need to know upfront what we are dealing with here lately as this is all news to me.
A relationship with Christ and serving God is not this complicated nor needs to be. Learning and getting off the milk as you once stated is very true to those who are sleeping and we all should always be striving to grow daily. I couldn't agree with you more.
I will say that your views for RCC seem to be something you are quite passionate and on fire about these days. Honestly, that is great but they way things are being delivered is to me inappropriate on many days because it only encompasses part of God's style without knowing where or how or why the corrective postings are coming at one. It's almost like you are trying to come at someone with a blanket statement that may be good if you are in a heartfelt talk with someone about that particular topic. Sometimes, it doesn't fit and can feel like a huge slam in the face. I know you mean well, I honestly do, but it is almost as it has a presumptuous or assumptive stance to it before you find out what the person's intent is. That in itself can create greater problems and barriers, it borders on self righteousness without asking the poster what they mean if it's that important to you. Even that can lift up one and make the other fall down. We don't want to do that. We want to help not hinder anyone's growth, correct? Even so, I feel my relationship with God is between he and I. I am looking forward for all of us to stand before him very soon. After things I have seen on here and in the world, you bet I have LOTS of questions for him. I am glad we are all going to be standing before him.
(Con't)
I say all this with love. He will show us the error of our ways and correct us for his betterment moving forwards. I have a wonderful network around me for Christ. If I only took your words at face value, once I picked myself up off the floor in confusion and shame (for what I wouldn't know at that moment) just because I was slammed, it may want to make someone withdraw. Again, that is not God nor his purpose for his people and truthfully not his style. We are to be open vessels both ways, without obstruction and humbly accept correction as well as receive correction if needed in love. You know that :)
For now the ones that need the help are being confused and watching daily battles. That is not God. He doesn't give us the spirit of fear or confusion. Unless I have posted something else in error this morning, I proudly state that I am going to keep working for my Father in the manner I have. He has always been faithful with the help of the HS to help me get re-directed.
So as you can see from above, I humbly apologize if that is what you are talking about, but to add RCC corrections to my postings is something I would prefer you do on your other blogs or at least would have simplified what your assumptions are to me, OK? I will not be going back and forth on this. Let us speak to God about these things we do not have all the answers to and he will gladly sit his children down and explain. I trust in that.
I appreciate your awareness on the RCC issue. It's a fragile area that your working on to convert and deliver your messages to. On some parts you're going to scare and confuse the RCC'ers right back into hiding as well as the non-saved if you don't lift the throttle up just a bit. Are these previous conversations flowing in from another blog that you are delivering the message to those people here as well? There is a point of origination that has sparked your remarks lately and I just don't have the time or energy to figure it out. I love you, and no I am not stomping off in a fit, I promise :) When we get up there you will see I truly and sick and weak and through it all, in love, I choose to get up each day and help someone else instead of letting another soul slip by. We are really close folks. We all fall short of the glory of God and he knows are hearts and I am choosing not to live in fear or battle.
God Bless!! Rest Easy..
GG
WONDERFUL TO SEE YOU GG!!!
I have to log into work right now, but I just wanted say that was once again,as usual :), a beautiful post!
Please get some rest Dear Sister! OK?
In His Love! BIG HUG!
GG,
In reading both posts, I don't see any issue between you or EI that she was raising, but rather, only addressing your post on our frail, fallen condition in a supplementary fashion, **AND** in that vein, as a lead-in to address the accusation against Mrs. C and EI by a certain Anonymous who said:
"...Mrs. C and EI are dangerous people..."
It is clearly evident that we are all under increasing attacks by the evil one as predicted we would be, and many of us have too many 'irons in the fire' to add the stress of finding time to deal with life, w/o also having the attacks of divisiveness being thrown into the mix.
Your posts are very much appreciated.
God bless you with strength & health.
Dear GG
I am very grateful to DrNofog for his undertanding; and echo his remarks and Mrs C for you to be blessed. It is indeed good to see you posting, if only when you can.
In HIS LOVE,
Sue
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Hi Scott, Doc, Mrs. C & Sue~
Thank you for the kind posts. All the glory goes to him alone. I love his wisdom and insights daily. Glad we found understanding and in understanding we find love and greater awareness and wisdom. Until we can all be together in our new heavenly bodies and homes.
May God Bless you all on this site.
God Bless!!
GG
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