I mean, with the knowledge that the revived Roman Empire will somehow give rise to the 10 Kings and the antichrist and will also have a significant military presence during the Tribulation - seeing their first significant military moves as a single entity is somewhat unnerving.
EU-led coalition strikes first Gaddafi target
A French jet opened fire on one of Colonel Gaddafi's tanks at 18.45 Libyan time on Saturday (19 March) in the first strike of Operation Odyssey Dawn, a military campaign by a new EU-US-Arab coalition created to protect Libyan civilians.
Speaking before the strikes at an emergency summit of Arabic and Western countries in Paris on Saturday, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said: "If we intervene in Arab countries, it is not in the name of an objective that we want to impose on the Libyan people.
The Paris communique said: "While contributing in differentiated ways to the implementation of UNSCR 1973, we are determined to act collectively and resolutely to give full effect to these decisions ...
The new alliance includes 10 EU members (Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Greece, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain and the UK), Canada, Norway and the US, as well as Iraq, Jordan, Morocco, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates (UAE).
The participation of German leader Angela Merkel also indicates that the division inside the EU is not as significant as on the Iraq war in 2003. Germany last week abstained from the UN vote and said it would not contribute military resources.
But in 2003, the Lisbon Treaty hadn't been signed and the corporation of EU countries was an entirely different set of circumstances. Now the EU is involved as single entity "EU", not the EU of 2003. Big difference.
This is an interesting development. Prophetically, we know that we are now seeing the formal beginnings of what will become the antichrist's forces in the future Tribulation.
Things like this always make me reflect on the awesomeness of God. He knows exactly how the future will play out and He even loved us enough to give us this information - in advance - so that we would be prepared. Wow.
Dear Scott >>>>>
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REPLACEMENT IS VERY CLOSE.
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IS SEVENTY, AS I HAVE TOLD YOU
BEFORE.
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Now Scott,
ReplyDeleteEven with your Pretribulation Rapture belief, you have to be scratching your head over this particular article.
If you truly believe that the coming Antichrist will rise from the EU; and based on what you have posted, it appears as if the 10 Kings are of the WEU - you should know that the WEU is the "Military Wing" of the EU, OR Revived Roman Empire. Indeed Prophecy is being fulfilled.
The Church is still here, and you will see this same WEU give it's power and authority to the coming Antichrist - as crisises will continue in that region.
Let the Word of God be true, and every man a liar. The Antichrist will be revealed prior to the Rapture of the Church - this you can count on.
Perhaps it's time to re-think your take on the Pretribulation Rapture view - and possibly give the ENP(I) theory a few additional thoughts as well.
Peace
Hi Anon,
ReplyDeleteWe've been reading your thoughts...well, I assume its the same you...for some time now. But your rational always seems to rest on a very narrow "selection" of scripture.
But, as Scott delicately pointed out the other day, you have completely ignored, dodged, and side stepped a multitude of arguments to the contrary. Many of these were put together in love and with great care and time, I'm sure.
I don't think you're going to effectively convince anyone until you remove the blinders and address the entirety of scripture that "appear" to contradict your view. At this point, and until then, your argument is taking on the characteristics of a broken record. Your arguments are either going to have to address the "inconvenient" contradictory points of scripture or show why your selected scripture should take precedence of those presented to you as evidence of a pre trib position.
I say this in love and with some few years in studying and reading the evidence both for and against all the views on timing.
I have to agree with Caver.
ReplyDeleteAlso - are you the same one who believes that the Tribulation started > 3.5 years ago? Yes?
Stephen - SO sorry to hear that! How did that happen? Any idea?
ReplyDeleteScott
ReplyDeleteRegarding your article. YES!!! I have thought the same.
Interesting that Obama was keeping out of it UNTIL the Arabs came on board THEN he agreed to the cease fire.
PS
The EU is not the 10 kingdoms. We have all been around for yonks!
The EU is a precursor only.
The 10 have never ruled before and will only rule for 1 hour when out pops A/C.
The Church will be snatched away to Jesus in the DEPARTURE before a/c is revealed.
Praise the Lord!
MARANATHA!
Scott,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I believe that there is more than one of us who post anonymously, who have the same ideas. They also see that there is NO Pretribulation Rapture.
Second, I DO NOT believe in a 7 year tribulation period, as you seem to imply. You or anyone else who believes in a 7 year tribulation period are clearly READING INTO SCRIPTURE - it absolutely CANNOT be found. Daniel 9:27 - which you have previously gave, mentions that the coming Antichrist will "confirm the Covenant with Many" for a week; to read anything more into this (as if this is the beginning of the tribulation period) is not doctrinally sound. Scripture does not indicate this.
And last..... I simply refuse to argue about one's point of view concerning the Rapture of the Church. I have seen countless debates that change the minds of no one. And to Carver, I am not trying to change anyone's mind, or convince them that I'm right - that's not my goal. My goal is to simply point out the facts, and may any intelligent person, who is seeking the absolute Truth study Scripture for themselves.
Uh oh! Here comes trouble. What will Obama do NOW???
ReplyDeleteThe Arab League are saying that they didn't want the bombing, only the protection of the people.
I have a funny feeling we have been been deliberately egged on for a bigger issue and pooped on from a great height methinks? Me hopes me am wrong ...Or do I?
Hm! get us occupied with Libya, meanswhile Psalm 83...?
The anonymous Anonymous said "My goal is to simply point out the facts"
ReplyDeleteTo which, we all wonder WHAT FACTS.
So far only a load of 'I believe' or 'I think' or an insistent 'the Bible doesn't say' ad nauseum with NO Scriptural backing whatsoever.
To boot, the anonymous one bleats out the 'i' word. Do you actually KNOW the definition of the word 'intelligent'or is it just one of the blanks you keep firing into the air for effect?
Expected Imminently,
ReplyDeleteI won't stoop to your level of insults - as I have seen you butt in on several comments, serving up your very opinionated and utmost sarcastic views.
I don't know how anyone can honestly take you serious, as the very name that you use to post comments even contradict Scripture.
May God bless you, and open up your understanding.
Anon
ReplyDeleteYou are the one who stated "...and may any intelligent person, who is seeking the absolute truth" - which strongly implies that anyone who doesn't agree with you, is neither "intelligent" nor "seeking the truth".
To me, that serves as a pretty strong and inflammatory (not to mention unnecessary) accusation.
And then:
"I simply refuse to argue about one's point of view concerning the rapture of the church"
See, thats the problem. When you take that approach, it then becomes "hit and run" messages which serve no point, in my opinion.
I am happy to have a solid discourse on the topic, in order to show all points of view - but with your proposal, it becomes very one sided and doesn't carry our Christian witness in a good light. It serves no purpose.
So - as I have stated before - if these "discussions" can't serve as enlightenment to the topic - by showing the full discussion, then I am going to have to stop what we are currently doing by deleting the "hit and run" comments (for the above reasons).
This is a pre-trib site. I have full confidence that an open discussion can reveal the overwhelming evidence of a pre-Trib rapture and reveal the gaping holes in the other arguments (pre-wrath, post-trib etc).
But the hit and run has to stop. I hope this can be understood.
So you censor anyone who cannot agree with your faulty Pretribulation Raptue point of view?
ReplyDeleteIf so Scott, your whole web-site becomes "one sided".
Simply Amazing! Are you spreading false Gospel...which according to Scripture is NO GOSPEL at all, when one can plainly point to the direction of your error?
So you Sir, please don't hit and run as well.
No. In fact, what I am doing is removing any censorship by having open discussion - something you, by admission refuse.
ReplyDeleteHow is requesting an open and full discussion censorship?
My efforts are to remove the hit and run comments by allowing full discussion - but you have refused to do so. A number of folks on this board have made very compelling arguments - scripture based - to refute your views, yet you refuse to engage. This is a frustrating exercise for those who take the time and effort to engage in such discussion.
The "one-sidedness" is coming from your end.
Now you are making accusations regarding "false Gospel. That is unnecessary. I believe that your views are incorrect - not by intent. But to accuse someone of "false Gospel" seems a little strong to me.
This type of discourse, is, unfortunately what I have seen over the years when it comes to your views. Its typically based on 1-2 scriptures which are misinterpreted - and then when the pre-trib folks clarify those 1-2 scriptures - and then add to it - the many many additional scriptures which point to pre-trib rapture ---- Your side typically does exactly what you are doing - and refuse to discuss.
And round and round it goes.
I just believe its time to stop this cycle. Unless, of course, you are willing to discuss this on a "scripture-by-scripture" basis, in an adult, professional manner w/o name calling, accusations, etc.
In which case, lets let it rip.
Anon, if you are that confident of your view then defend it. Educate us all.
ReplyDeleteYou can't just make a statement with no reason or defense and say believe it or you're stupid and believing a false doctrine. At least we know why we believe what we do and are willing to defend it.
Hello Scott
ReplyDeleteThank you for censoring my words of self defence and prideful indignation. At least the consequences of my hasty retort will be limited; but it is one more, fleshly thing, I have to answer to for the burning at the Bema Seat; and Jesus loses out – again. Will I ever learn?
Even so come quickly Lord Jesus and thy will be done. Maranatha!
Sue :(
Anonymous said "... Are you spreading false Gospel...which according to Scripture is NO GOSPEL at all, when one can plainly point to the direction of your error?"
ReplyDeleteIn all seriousness, as you say one can plainly point to ... error, PLEASE will you explain to me from Scripture why Pretrib is a 'false Gospel'.
This is the second time I have heard this pronouncement to a Pretribber. I have scoured The Word to see HOW we are in error over the death and resurrection of Jesus, and I am unable to find an answer. What do you mean?
Please would you be kind enough to provide me with the relevant verses.
Thank you.
Sue
Wow. Instead of arguing pre/post rapture, we should spend this much effort in getting our brothers and sisters saved. Saying "come quick, Jesus" is saying to heaven with me and to hell with everyone else. He is holding back to give all his children an opportunity. If we are raptured out of here, who will testify to the lost?
ReplyDeleteIf he raptures the saved first, why get saved now when you have a second chance later? No, narrow is the path. One shot folks.
...think about it
-vicky
(I don't have a google account, I don't know what open id is, so I guess anon is my option?)
Anon-vicky said...
ReplyDelete"(I don't have a google account, I don't know what open id is, so I guess anon is my option?)
Thank you "-vicky"
Unlike the multitudes of other "Anons" that don't give a separating clue, so as to know which "Anon" we be addressin', at least you have the 'moxy' to give a "-vicky" at the end of your post!
Bless you.
Hi Miss Vicky.
ReplyDeleteAfter giving "word verification" below it is a selection. Pick "Name/URL" option, then it will allow you to enter a screen name without joining.
:)
During the Tribulation - God ensures that His message gets to the entire world:
ReplyDelete- The Two Witnesses preaching from the streets in Jerusalem
- the 144,000 Jews who have the veil lifted and immediately begin proclaiming the Gospel to the World
- Angels will proclaim the Gospel to the world
God always makes sure that He has His messengers on Earth.
Hello Scott,
ReplyDeleteI really enjoy your blog and I visit it daily.
My own stand re rapture timing: I've been back and forth re pretrib/prewrath and so forth, and without going into a long spiel, all I can say is that I'm not firmly convinced one way or the other. I think what it comes down to is that we can all agree that believers will not be on the receiving end of God's wrath. I think that where the 'disagreement' lies is with what we consider to be God's 'wrath', when we figure the 'Day of the Lord' starts, and do we think the 'tribulation' is 7 years long or 3 1/2 years long.
I didn't intend to get into a discussion of all of THAT in this venue. I just wanted to be clear that I am not trying to pick an argument.
I simply wanted to ask about the 144,000 Jews because I have never found a clear answer to this question: Where does the idea that these are 'evangelists' or that they are proclaiming the gospel come from? Many mature and learned Christians say this, but I am still not clear on where they got this idea from.
Hello Vicky
ReplyDeleteThank you for making a distinction between all the other Anons while remaining Anonymous. :)
It isn’t a question of ‘either/or’. Declaring Salvation from sin through faith in Jesus Christ always has the pre-eminence while ‘contending for the Faith’ as well as encouraging one another as THE Day draws near. Milk is nourishing, but strong meat is needed in maturity.
Praying ‘come quickly’ and ‘Maranatha’ is in direct accordance with Scripture. It is a demonstration of our trust in God’s Word and its application in our lives. It is our ‘blessed hope’ that we are physically ‘looking for’.
Titus2:13 LOOKING for that BLESSED HOPE, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Rev.20:22 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. EVEN SO, COME, LORD JESUS.
"Maranatha! Was used by Paul in 1Cor16:22 and was the expectant cry of the early Church at the imminent return of Jesus in the Rapture.
Maran-atha: An expression used in 1Cr 16:22, is the Greek spelling for two Aramaic words, formerly supposed by some to be an imprecatory utterance or "a curse reinforced by a prayer," an idea contrary to the intimations conveyed by its use in early Christian documents, e.g., "The Teaching of the Apostles," a document of the beginning of the 2nd cent., and in the "Apostolic Constitutions" (vii. 26), where it is used as follows: "Gather us all together into Thy Kingdom which Thou hast prepared. Maranatha, Hosanna to the Son of David; blessed is He that cometh, etc." (Vines)
Only the Pretrib Rapture can meet this Scriptural requirement of ‘quickly’or ‘imminently’ and ‘looking’ with ‘blessed hope’. All other views ‘delay The Masters coming’ as their hope is deferred as Jesus cannot come today, always later after certain ‘sign’s e.g. the revealing of a/c; or the rebuilt Temple; the Abomination in the Holy place; or events in the sky etc; etc.
God bless you.
Maranatha!
Sue :)
Hello Scott
ReplyDeleteFor your convenience to alter or delete as you see fit.
144,000 Jewish Evangelists.
Essentially they replace the testimony of the now Raptured Church. Along with the ‘Gospel Angel’ as well as the work of Elijah and the Two Witnesses.
Rev.14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
This is understood through the exegesis of the whole council of God where Scripture interprets Scripture.
Rev7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the SERVANTS of our God in their foreheads.
Servant – ‘doulos’ Strongs G1401
1) a slave, bondman, man of servile condition
a) a slave
b) metaph., one who gives himself up to another's will those whose service is used by Christ in extending and advancing his cause among men
c) devoted to another to the disregard of one's own interests
2) a servant, attendant
Bondman:
from deo, "to bind," "a slave," originally the lowest term in the scale of servitude, came also to mean "one who gives himself up to the will of another," e.g., 1Cr 7:23; Rom 6:17, 20, and became the most common and general word for "servant," as in Mat 8:9, without any idea of bondage. In calling himself, however, a "bondslave of Jesus Christ," e.g., Rom 1:1, the Apostle Paul intimates
(1) that he had been formerly a "bondslave" of Satan, and
2) that, having been bought by Christ, he was now a willing slave, bound to his new Master.
Vines.
Importantly the 144,000 are all redeemed JEWISH VIRGIN MEN The FIRSTFRUITS of ISRAEL, the Jewish nation during The 70th Week of Daniel’s people Dan.9:27. ‘The Time of Jacob’s Trouble’ Jer.30:7
The feminine form doule is NOT used. i.e. NO women are among the 144,000. There are 12,000 men taken from each of the tribes of Israel – JACOB’S sons.
Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand OF ALL THE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.
(12,000 from each Tribe named after the sons of Jacob. No Gentiles and ALL are living.
Rev.7:3 “…the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Rev.14:4These are they which were NOT DEFILED WITH WOMEN; for they are VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among MEN, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. (NO women)
Genesis 49:1 And Jacob called unto his (12) sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in THE LAST DAYS.
Sue :)
SUE
ReplyDeleteI was just getting ready to answer this and looked up and behold, you already had it done!
Many thanks and as usual, excellent job!
Scott
Sue,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your well thought out response. I've printed it out and I'll give it a good read and study. :)
Part 2)
ReplyDeleteDaniel9:26 Reveals that the Messiah would be ‘cut off’ (crucified) after three score and two weeks (62 weeks or 434 years.) He would have nothing (of the promise) and the people (Roman soldiers) would destroy Jerusalem and the Temple (AD 70) There-after would be a flood of troubles (for Israel).
The end of the 69th week was on 10th April 32AD when Messiah was rejected and God’s time plan stopped dead. The prophecy of the 70 weeks was left unfinished with one ‘seven’ of years remaining, the 70th called ‘The Time of Jacob’s Trouble in Jeremiah 30: Jesus called it THE Tribulation and GREAT Tribulation.
There is an invisible hiatus between vs 26 and 27 which we now know to be the ‘mystery’ of the Church unfolding, which has lasted for 2000 plus years to date.
The future (Roman) ruler of the ‘people’ who destroyed the Temple is seen in vs. 27.
Daniel9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one WEEK (shabuwa of years): and in the midst (3 ½ yrs) of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (AoD) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make desolate, even until the consummation (remaining 3 ½ years of the 7yrs), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Vs.27 Reveals the final seven years of ‘The Times of the Gentiles’ rule of earth are brought to an end with the a/c being the last Gentile ruler. This is prophesied in Nebuchadnezzar’s great image and Daniels visions of the ‘Beasts’.
The above is over simplified, and in order to correctly understand ‘The Olivet Discourse’ and the Revelation, we HAVE to understand the book of Daniel which is the backbone and the key to all prophecy. Israel and the unsaved world now await the final 7 years as told to Daniel the Prophet.
Hope this throws a little light onto why The Tribulation is for a literal 7 years.
Maranatha!
Sue :)
Part 2)
ReplyDeleteDaniel9:26 Reveals that the Messiah would be ‘cut off’ (crucified) after three score and two weeks (62 weeks or 434 years.) He would have nothing (of the promise) and the people (Roman soldiers) would destroy Jerusalem and the Temple (AD 70) There-after would be a flood of troubles (for Israel).
The end of the 69th week was on 10th April 32AD when Messiah was rejected and God’s time plan stopped dead. The prophecy of the 70 weeks was left unfinished with one ‘seven’ of years remaining, the 70th called ‘The Time of Jacob’s Trouble in Jeremiah 30: Jesus called it THE Tribulation and GREAT Tribulation.
There is an invisible hiatus between vs 26 and 27 which we now know to be the ‘mystery’ of the Church unfolding, which has lasted for 2000 plus years to date.
The future (Roman) ruler of the ‘people’ who destroyed the Temple is seen in vs. 27.
Daniel9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one WEEK (shabuwa of years): and in the midst (3 ½ yrs) of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (AoD) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make desolate, even until the consummation (remaining 3 ½ years of the 7yrs), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Vs.27 Reveals the final seven years of ‘The Times of the Gentiles’ rule of earth are brought to an end with the a/c being the last Gentile ruler. This is prophesied in Nebuchadnezzar’s great image and Daniels visions of the ‘Beasts’.
The above is over simplified, and in order to correctly understand ‘The Olivet Discourse’ and the Revelation, we HAVE to understand the book of Daniel which is the backbone and the key to all prophecy. Israel and the unsaved world now await the final 7 years as told to Daniel the Prophet.
Hope this throws a little light onto why The Tribulation is for a literal 7 years.
Maranatha!
Sue :)
Hello Sue,
ReplyDeleteI think there are some folks who figure this "Time of Jacob's trouble" doesn't apply to the entire 70th week, but just the time after the AoD, when the AC starts really doing his thing and kicks that off with both proclaiming himself as god and going after the Jews.
Ah, you know, I often find the differing conclusions that people have reached to be rather discouraging, and I've pored over much material in the past couple of years regarding end times prophecy. My initial inclination was pre-wrath (I think because of my JW background), and I found the Fulfilled Prophecy site and message board with material by Herb Peters. (I was never fully convinced that the ENP was THE 7 year agreement, though, but I did watch for it nonetheless.) I read Herb's book, along with Robert Van Kampen, Marv Rosenthal, Donald Salerno's "Revelation Unsealed". Salerno's book derives much of its material from Van Kampen and Rosenthal, although Salerno does differ on a few points. There was a fellow named Phillip who also had a very thorough study online--he's prewrath as well. Then I read John MacArthur's books on the subject--"Because the Time is Near" and "The Second Coming". I had read a few of MacArthur's other books, and I considered pre trib initially because of him, actually. I've also gone through Arnold Fruchtenbaum's "Footsteps of the Messiah", and H.L. Nigro's prewrath work "Before God's Wrath". I've read Dave Bussard's prewrath book, "Who Will be Left Behind", too. With all of these works, as well as a few other papers from various sites, I've pored over these works with pen, pencil, highlighters and various translations of the Bible on hand and really picked things apart.
And I've probably used up all my space here... :)
There are those who figure that Jesus is the one who confirmed the covenant with many, as per Daniel 9, and that his ministry was the first half of the 70th week (I don't think this)...and I recently came across a site whose author has the seals, trumpets, and bowls in Revelation being fulfilled all over the place time wise and even simultaneously and some of them in the past. I didn't spend too much time on that site.
ReplyDeleteWith all of this, and considering that many of these folks are mature Christians who are sincerely trying very hard...it seems like no one has it ALL correct.
And right now, since it seems we are really on the verge of something big and we're in the thick of it, I find what I often want to do now is not study other people's commentaries so much anymore, but just read the scriptures directly and watch it unfold right before our eyes. I pray always for understanding and discernment, and that my faith be increased and strengthened. We are in a pitched spiritual battle right now, that's for sure.
So...'pretrib', 'prewrath'...Well, in time we'll know for sure, and it might not be much longer now. :)
Sue,
ReplyDeleteBTW, thank you for part2. You explain things very well. :)
Ellis
ReplyDeleteWell done for understanding Part 2.
I tried unpteen times last night to post part 1 and it refuses to 'stick'.
I have just tried again to no avail. Will this post ???
God bless
Sue
Anonymous said on 20th March 2011 @ 10:50 AM “…Second, I DO NOT believe in a 7 year tribulation period, as you seem to imply. You or anyone else who believes in a 7 year tribulation period are clearly READING INTO SCRIPTURE - it absolutely CANNOT be found. Daniel 9:27 - which you have previously gave, mentions that the coming Antichrist will "confirm the Covenant with Many" for a week; to read anything more into this (as if this is the beginning of the tribulation period) is not doctrinally sound. Scripture does not indicate this…”
ReplyDeletePart1)
Daniel9:27 Does not stand on its own as it is directly concerns when a/c confirms a covenant for a ‘week’. It is the ‘pulse’ verse, given as ‘shorthand’ of an extremely detailed prophecy given to Danie; concerning the final seven years of Jewish AND Gentile times. These last seven years are the final swquence of what is called the 70th Week.
Daniel 9:24 SEVENTY WEEKS are determined upon THY PEOPLE and upon thy HOLY CITY, to finish THE TRANSGRESSION , and to make an END OF SIN, and to make reconciliation for INIQUITY, and to bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and to seal up the VISION and PROPHECY, and to ANOINT THE MOST HOLY.
The Hebrew word ‘shabuwa’ or ‘heptad’ is translated into English as ‘weeks’. Literally it is a unit of ‘seven’ and is akin to a ‘dozen’ meaning a ‘twelve’ of something. A ‘shabuwa’ in this instance is a ‘seven of years’. In Leviticus 26 God uses ‘sevens’ in His punishments of Israel. Daniels 70th Week is the final ‘seven’ incorporating three phases of judgments also in sevens. E.g. Genesis 29:15-28 Jacob worked for two ‘shabuwa’ of years for Laban. The Jews also had ‘Sabbatical Years’ that were divided into a ‘shabuwa’ of years. This only concerns the Jewish Calendar, it has nothing to do with the Church.
70 x 7 = 490 years
Daniel9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks (69 weeks or 483 years): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Vs.25Tells when the 70 Weeks would begin. History now reveals this was fulfilled when Artaxerxes gave Nehemiah (2:1-8) permission to rebuild the city of Jerusalem, and specifically the STREET, and the WALLS in the month of Nisan in 445BC.
Cont.
Part1)
ReplyDeleteDaniel:27 Does not stand on its own as it is directly concerns when a/c confirms a covenant for a ‘week’. It is the ‘pulse’ verse, given as ‘shorthand’ of an extremely detailed prophecy given to Danie; concerning the final seven years of Jewish AND Gentile times. These last seven years are the final swquence of what is called the 70th Week.
Daniel 9:24 SEVENTY WEEKS are determined upon THY PEOPLE and upon thy HOLY CITY, to finish THE TRANSGRESSION , and to make an END OF SIN, and to make reconciliation for INIQUITY, and to bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and to seal up the VISION and PROPHECY, and to ANOINT THE MOST HOLY.
The Hebrew word ‘shabuwa’ or ‘heptad’ is translated into English as ‘weeks’. Literally it is a unit of ‘seven’ and is akin to a ‘dozen’ meaning a ‘twelve’ of something. A ‘shabuwa’ in this instance is a ‘seven of years’. In Leviticus 26 God uses ‘sevens’ in His punishments of Israel. Daniels 70th Week is the final ‘seven’ incorporating three phases of judgments also in sevens. E.g. Genesis 29:15-28 Jacob worked for two ‘shabuwa’ of years for Laban. The Jews also had ‘Sabbatical Years’ that were divided into a ‘shabuwa’ of years. This only concerns the Jewish Calendar, it has nothing to do with the Church.
70 x 7 = 490 years
Daniel9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks (69 weeks or 483 years): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Vs.25Tells when the 70 Weeks would begin. History now reveals this was fulfilled when Artaxerxes gave Nehemiah (2:1-8) permission to rebuild the city of Jerusalem, and specifically the STREET, and the WALLS in the month of Nisan in 445BC.
Cont. in part 2.
Hello Ellis and All
ReplyDeleteParts 1 and 2 was a response to Anonymous on the 20th March 2011 @ 10.15 am on this thread.
Anonymous posted to Scott denying the Scriptural evidence of 7 years saying that “it absolutely CANNOT be found” etc.
I had copied and pasted their comment onto my refutation of those remarks. Having deleted that copy and paste, part 1 has finally ‘stuck’ (I hope).
Apologies for any confusion; and many thanks, you for your patience. :)
God bless
Maranatha!
Sue
Ellis said “… I think there are some folks who figure this "Time of Jacob's trouble" doesn't apply to the entire 70th week, but just the time after the AoD, when the AC starts really doing his thing and kicks that off with both proclaiming himself as god and going after the Jews...”
ReplyDeleteDaniel9:24 Explicitly states The Time of Jacob’s Trouble DOES apply to the entire ‘seven of years’ and is further supported by God’s whole council.
God’s wrath is clearly defined as his four sore judgments of Sword, Famine, Wild Beasts, Plague ALL clearly defined from the start of the 7 years. God has used kings and their armies, even Satan to punish iniquity. The celestial judgments are evidence of His increasing wrath being steadily outpoured.
Having been a JW means a great deal of muddled teaching to discard as you take on board the correct interpretation. Many others, with God’s help, have achieved this, and so can you. :)
We have discussed the errors of Pre-wrath a great deal here already. Its there if you can search, but I am sorry I cannot help you to find it. The FACT of the error is well covered by a critique of PreWrath by Dr. Reynald Showers.
Frankly the ONLY person on your list I can recommend is Arnold Fruchtenbaum. All the others (pre-trib or otherwise) have a faulty method of interpreting ALL Scriptures, not just prophecy.
God has given specific directions during specific times which is His ‘oikonomea’ or ‘economy’. In English it is translated as ‘Dispensations’ which, for some odd reason frighten people who are stuck in Calvin’s Covenant Theology method of interpretation.
It Allegorises or figuratively/spiritualises prophecy which has a knock on effect on ALL Scripture. The Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles all interpreted the bible in a normal/ literal manner CONSISTENTLY throughout. Taking into account the importance of understanding Grammar and Historical background.
God does use allegory as one literary device, but He ALWAYS explains it and it NEVER changes the LITERAL meaning of a text. (Good old fashioned common sense.)
I cannot emphasis strongly enough the correct, Biblical Hermeneutic of a Normal/Literal/Grammatical/ Historical interpretation of the whole Bible.
I have had to completely trust The Lord to guide my ‘education’ of His Word. My main prayer was always ‘please teach me’ – and He has guided me faithfully even when I have made awful mistakes – I learned from them.
Ask Him and trust Him to lead you to His qualified teachers of His Word. TEST everything by His Word and do not rely on FEELINGS, either good or bad.
God bless and lead you Ellis
Sue